From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 21:03:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305BC106564A for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E747B8FC1F for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8IL34n9006183; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:03:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from mdt-xp.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m8IL34r2053611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:03:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <200809182103.m8IL34r2053611@lava.sentex.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:03:05 -0400 To: Jo Rhett From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <9ECDD71F-D4EB-4846-AB12-40B123AE7E16@netconsonance.com> References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> <47d0403c0809051319r3c82f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com> <2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4D@netconsonance.com> <0C2C7E9B-61E3-4720-B76F-4745A3C963DA@netconsonance.com> <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <12944D4C-5243-4EC7-8E1A-04A7735B5AEA@netconsonance.com> <200809181925.m8IJPo3Z053187@lava.sentex.ca> <40E3236C-CAF7-406D-835F-948954F67D51@netconsonance.com> <200809181946.m8IJkFDa053266@lava.sentex.ca> <9ECDD71F-D4EB-4846-AB12-40B123AE7E16@netconsonance.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:03:07 -0000 At 04:13 PM 9/18/2008, Jo Rhett wrote: >On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: >>I am sorry, I meant, what have you contributed currently or in the >>past to FreeBSD ? i.e. what code, or money or physical resources >>(hardware) or time testing code ? > > >I do a lot of testing and patches regarding components we use. Search >the PRs. I maintain several ports. I had a search and I see some PRs you have submitted, but I guess you commit under a different @freebsd.org email address ? > I built freebsd package >management into cfengine, and greatly extended the package management >functionality above and beyond to support every operation freebsd can >take on a package. > We host numerous freebsd developers in our >facility for nearly nothing. Thats most excellent! I think people would take your suggestions with greater gravity if you reminded them with a few URLs to point out the various commit messages that say, "sponsored by netconsonance" etc. Or perhaps a few of these numerous developers could speak up on your behalf? > We pay for development of features that >we need but don't have the appropriate skills to fix ourselves. That then went back into FreeBSD ? Can you give examples ? I ask all this as you really, really want things to change, and you say you have resources to offer, yet you seem to have alienated a LOT of people from previously similar threads (http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-stable/200806/msg00037.html) You advocate that people not reject your offers of help and resources, yet at the same time respond to developers who actually do a LOT of work and were going to look at what you have to offer by way of bug reports that you are way too busy to oblige http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-stable/200806/msg00069.html Perhaps if you posted some references to success stories you have had with the FreeBSD developer community at large, this would help make your case. ---Mike