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Date:      Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:03:05 -0400
From:      Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>
To:        Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>
Cc:        freebsd-stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...
Message-ID:  <200809182103.m8IL34r2053611@lava.sentex.ca>
In-Reply-To: <9ECDD71F-D4EB-4846-AB12-40B123AE7E16@netconsonance.com>
References:  <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> <CB36FE28-D125-4C22-B5DE-1001515DD8A6@netconsonance.com> <47d0403c0809051319r3c82f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809061159410.28840@fledge.watson.org> <2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4D@netconsonance.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809162043380.64176@fledge.watson.org> <0C2C7E9B-61E3-4720-B76F-4745A3C963DA@netconsonance.com> <alpine.BSF.1.10.0809180022580.13100@fledge.watson.org> <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <bdf82f800809180847n4b586164r1a689da8a3b65141@mail.gmail.com> <12944D4C-5243-4EC7-8E1A-04A7735B5AEA@netconsonance.com> <200809181925.m8IJPo3Z053187@lava.sentex.ca> <40E3236C-CAF7-406D-835F-948954F67D51@netconsonance.com> <200809181946.m8IJkFDa053266@lava.sentex.ca> <9ECDD71F-D4EB-4846-AB12-40B123AE7E16@netconsonance.com>

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At 04:13 PM 9/18/2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
>On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
>>I am sorry, I meant, what have you contributed currently or in the
>>past to FreeBSD ? i.e. what code, or money or physical resources
>>(hardware) or time testing code ?
>
>
>I do a lot of testing and patches regarding components we use.  Search
>the PRs.  I maintain several ports.

I had a search and I see some PRs you have submitted, but I guess you 
commit under a different @freebsd.org email address ?


>  I built freebsd package
>management into cfengine, and greatly extended the package management
>functionality above and beyond to support every operation freebsd can
>take on a package.

>  We host numerous freebsd developers in our
>facility for nearly nothing.

Thats most excellent!  I think people would take your suggestions 
with greater gravity if you reminded them with a few URLs to point 
out the various commit messages that say, "sponsored by 
netconsonance" etc. Or perhaps a few of these numerous developers 
could speak up on your behalf?

>   We pay for development of features that
>we need but don't have the appropriate skills to fix ourselves.

That then went back into FreeBSD  ? Can you give examples ?     I ask 
all this as you really, really want things to change, and you say you 
have resources to offer, yet you seem to have alienated a LOT of 
people from previously similar threads 
(http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-stable/200806/msg00037.html)

You advocate that people not reject your offers of help and 
resources, yet at the same time respond to developers who actually do 
a LOT of work and were going to look at what you have to offer by way 
of bug reports that you are way too busy to oblige
http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-stable/200806/msg00069.html

Perhaps if you posted some references to success stories you have had 
with the FreeBSD developer community at large, this would help make your case.

         ---Mike 




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