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From: Don O'Hara In-Reply-To: <20140827112209.89d0bbdb.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:25:24 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <244A8655-63FB-46E9-85AB-6E8BC4CF8199@gmail.com> References: <53FC60AB.1060805@qeng-ho.org> <1EE2934C-DA78-451F-B86A-93A9C55B9C56@gmail.com> <2ACC59D6-251B-4FF7-A275-C81408D6BB48@gmail.com> <1409070456.4218.7.camel@lenzinote.lenzicasa> <5811EA5F-C819-4D1B-8D39-7C47E46FFF05@gmail.com> <20140827112209.89d0bbdb.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: atar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:25:29 -0000 Hi Polytropon -=20 Thanks for your response. As usual, your responses are well-written, = very thorough, articulate, and unemotional (in a good sense). Too often on email lists I see one-liner complaints/problems/rants, where opinions are not backed up with reasons; issues not researched well; etc, etc; followed by another one-line opinion, ad nauseam. I too am slowly moving to FreeBSD, and just last week was trying to get = my Lenovo laptop working. Had to put that project aside since day job intervened. You = mentioned you had success with wireless on Lenovo; I might have to ask for some = help. Your responses keep the =93spirit of FreeBSD=94 (at least how I see it, in my short exposure to it), alive and well. Also, = responses like yours add the to the set of =93useful information=94 entries on the = email archives; it helps keep the signal-to-noise ratio higher (seems to be a losing battle, some = days). PS Your signature line always reminds me that perhaps it=92s time to re-read the Odyssey =93=85os mala polla=94=85. Don Harrisburg, PA On Aug 27, 2014, at 5:22, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:39:56 +0300, atar wrote: >> So you give me additional reason to stay with Linux and >> not to migrate to FreeBSD since even a basic wireless >> adapter which came with your Sony isn't supported by >> FreeBSD. To be honest, I don't know if your Sony wireless >> adapter is supported by Linux, but in general, I think >> linux is more flexible and supports more devices than >> FreeBSD (and more than all the rest of *BSD variations). >=20 > Of course this is a problem in FreeBSD, and it's a known > problem. There is a workaround (which isn't really helpful > afterwards, but beforehand): First check if the hardware > is supported, then buy it. Especially wireless devices > are subject to the tricky game of "driver lottery". You > will have more luck with Linux in this regards, as it > covers hardware with working drivers more than any other > operating system does, and usually, it keeps the support > for devices that "Windows" has long dropped (if you happen > to insist on using specific hardware, such as video grabber > cards, DVB sticks, sound cards or other "non-mainstream" > equipment). >=20 > Up to this point, I was always lucky with the hardware I > purchased: FreeBSD's support for WLAN components was > excellent. I've been using IBM / Lenovo, Dell, Siemens- > Fijutsu and Sony laptop hardware, and FreeBSD did not > have any trouble getting the buildin hardware to work. > Still there are models which cause problems: Some of > them use chipsets not supported by current drivers, others > just use f*cked up ACPI implementations, and others > delegate hardware functionality to proprietary drivers > which make the actual devices "appear" and "work", and > as you will guess, those are only available for specific > versions of "Windows". >=20 > It depends on you if you want to: >=20 > a) purchase other hardware to replace what is > not supported, >=20 > b) relapse to using Linux which supports your > hardware, or >=20 > c) accept that it's not working and make a better > choice next time you buy something. :-) >=20 > Many manufacturers are already regognizing that "Windows" > usage is decreasing, and Linux support becomes more and > more important to sell a device. They provide drivers or > build their devices so they support existing standards. > But of course hardware is evolving, and the OS needs to > provide the interfaces for the new. FreeBSD isn't exactly > blazing fast in this regards, but to me, never buying "the > newest" for having "the newest" for few weeks (instead > buying "good" in order to have "good" for several years), > it doesn't really matter, so my opinion doesn't matter much. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"