From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 16:45:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15563106568E for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:45:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE258FC18 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so3631682eek.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:45:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=wKc2+0lh67xymuy5K6LkP7IQGkAeUwBTdb2ENCtWYZQ=; b=EVmmziSRizVHEG5oa7XLmLJxHsXVZClyVIhAI+JBVQEY7t+Dqb89RRHvOHvKF/mRQY cz3CtgqOOLZ69ahcdPGYEoQOUpbulPnbFHgRieCV8DeoOGws+2smt938j8AlucvA2aSK DJ1NHOPAVraHCu8O9qhWrGLeT80LOeieuObdE6x38uwgJY2a1jp9qYWaVOsTo9LyJjIW 1tN89aeJCo4cQmrilZ3wXX5274Jau/FWR/823IG9QPw5/sx1JQvlYcGBEU7y2G0oB4nS g8wcK+i0SwyeCPevD2UJocvzNUxOtfJUEXhCQcR/kT3VrgrJ7wXszbESNg0bqJLfOWq+ qLKA== Received: by 10.14.101.9 with SMTP id a9mr6009765eeg.143.1341506702772; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p41sm64418134eef.5.2012.07.05.09.45.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:45:00 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4FF5BF27.2030609@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlmOhXuwYoWzzEBB3WRCkLGsBiFRf7N46vFVBLPAOvFrwdob0zjGlih1olbM8emRLsrm2ht Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 16:45:05 -0000 On 7/5/12 6:38 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> inexperienced users. >> >> Having to enable it manually defeats its very purpose. > > so is FreeBSD future direction to be moron-OS just like linux is now, or > is that just another stupid idea on that forum that came and... will pass? > > Quite important. There are still people that want normal OS. Just because you don't like the idea doesn't make it stupid, and just because it comes from linux doesn't make it bad. The "-p" flag to netstat comes from linux and I would dearly like to see it on BSD, for example.