From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 30 20:52:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D894810656C2 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684518FC2C for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from vampire.homelinux.org (dslb-088-066-037-051.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.66.37.51]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1MLkJy34eu-00009N; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:52:54 +0200 Received: (qmail 68641 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 20:52:54 -0000 Received: from kvm.laiers.local (HELO kvm.localnet) (192.168.4.187) by mx.laiers.local with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 20:52:54 -0000 From: Max Laier Organization: FreeBSD To: Ulrich =?utf-8?q?Sp=C3=B6rlein?= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:52:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.30-rc5-ARCH; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <86prcl23k8.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090630.094632.195416436.imp@bsdimp.com> <20090630193712.GA5446@roadrunner.spoerlein.net> In-Reply-To: <20090630193712.GA5446@roadrunner.spoerlein.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906302252.53894.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18QTJgRO4V4fnR6BZJw55jS0VmMloJutDDdxsj WS5i2hP4DmiRpQ/rj4URpKLzEqLg14iLER9z7DkZJZt++7VgRr 6ukFgmFCnl/SrqtOSfBeQ== Cc: ed@80386.nl, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, rwatson@freebsd.org, rafan@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, des@des.no, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: svn commit: r194628 - head/lib/ncurses/ncurses X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:52:57 -0000 On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:37:12 Ulrich Sp=C3=B6rlein wrote: > On Tue, 30.06.2009 at 09:46:32 -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > In message: > > > > Robert Watson writes: > > : On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > : > Last time this BBQ came up, I thought it was agreed that there > > : > would be a xterm-XXX that didn't do this behavior for those folks > > : > that think the current behavior is harmfully wrong... > > : > > : Whereas I think it's a bug in more(1)/less(1) that it tries to use > > : those sequences... > > > > Agreed. vi too. I'll note that on Mac OS, in the xterm, you don't > > see this with either... But I don't know how to undo tic(1) > > formatting to get back to the raw xterm entries... > > For vim(1) you can use something like set t_ti=3D t_te=3D > > Btw, I do like the current behaviour, but if $PAGER can be coerced into > not clearing screen after exit, I think more people could be persuaded. $ alias less=3D'less -X' -X or --no-init Disables sending the termcap initialization and deinitialization strings to the terminal. This is sometimes desirable if the deinitialization string does something unnecessary, like clear- ing the screen. It's one of the first things I do when I get a linux shell account=20 somewhere. =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News