From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 19:29:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9430416A423 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A3343D45 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE975CF3; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37603-02; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-54-113.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.54.113]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D4E5F64; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42D80E9C.70607@mac.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:29:32 -0400 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Buelow References: <42D6B117.5080302@plab.ku.dk> <20050714191449.A8A615D07@ptavv.es.net> <20050714195253.GA23666@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <20050715185413.GI37261@funkthat.com> <20050715191412.GA1374@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> In-Reply-To: <20050715191412.GA1374@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:29:39 -0000 Matthias Buelow wrote: > John-Mark Gurney wrote: [ ... ] > Why am I arguing in an uphill battle here? Is data safety no longer > important to the FreeBSD community? Such issues should not even > have to be discussed at all! You ask a good question: so, just why are *you* arguing? [1] If "sysctl hw.ata.wc=0" doesn't do what you want, please submit a PR containing something better. Or buy SCSI hardware and a real, battery-backed up RAID system, or fibre-channel, or Firewire, or whatever floats your boat. -- -Chuck [1]: After all, generally it takes at least two people to argue, although some people manage to argue even with themselves. :-)