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Date:      Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:48:16 +0200
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Subject:   Re: SMP discussion moving to freebsd-smp 
Message-ID:  <55396.961530496@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:36:47 PDT." <200006201936.MAA88247@apollo.backplane.com> 

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>    I can produce a stable set of changes in the first patch set, but
>    the fact of the matter is that much of the work is going to entail
>    ripping out the SPL compatibility mechanisms one at a time and replacing
>    them with mutexes.  This will be an ongoing process over the next 6
>    months and that means that -current is going to be less stable for
>    the entire time -- for both the SP and MP builds.

Right, and here I think we have the crux of the matter:

There is a lot of water between:
	"doesn't build, doesn't run"
and
	"always compiles, rock stable"

And I think we can pressume that we'll end somewhere in the middle.

I am sure that all members of the SMPng crowd understand that
leaving the rest of the FreeBSD developers stranded for more than
a few days (worst case a week) at a time is simply not a good idea
for anybody, right ?

I mean, the SMPng people will want people to beat the snot out of
their chances and if people cannot built and run -current, how are
they supposed to test it ?

So, Warner and everybody else:  Calm down, nobody is closing the
development in FreeBSD project down for half a year.

Matt and the rest of the SMPng crowd:

	Give us some more concrete details.

	Don't commit anything until people have had a chance
	to look at it and test it (normal procedure for 
	large-scale changes applies 100% here)  In particular
	a lot of people are at USENIX, nothing should be committed
	until they have caught up with their email.

	And promise that you'll make sure that -current is usable
	as much of the time as possible for the rest of the
	developers.

--
Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe    
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