From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:59:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B840A106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:59:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440F18FC0C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so17341346wib.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:59:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0FA1Hwg9jCRVGFHYwDIFGl66DW82rWJEvHCzP/ulqxk=; b=IIr7hmBXCI9xNMXRNFDW6q+kGhXyEQLhJKdOn7lyVUdQqtmWFgqKoBRbRWPPXwIlZ0 ijsFG52dCKj1cHEVoCXB7uvAu1qirGsOHo7/wLCHSFmKBk0a+y0mf9o+o11muol66PV0 KTnKftNNOrx/soinh+jRcJqMFac4FlmG7mBo4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.91.201 with SMTP id cg9mr124919748wib.15.1325698269530; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.158.129 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:31:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8C8222CF-404E-48AD-B318-0D3EB9DD28BD@bsdimp.com> References: <201201020313.q023DdG2051231@fire.js.berklix.net> <201201040538.30654.onyx@z-up.ru> <8C8222CF-404E-48AD-B318-0D3EB9DD28BD@bsdimp.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:31:09 -0800 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Warner Losh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: onyx@z-up.ru, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: powerd to use sysctl to import temps to drop freq to avoid heat crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:59:30 -0000 On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Dmitry Kolosov wrote: > > > > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 67.0C > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 1 > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 90.0C > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: 95.0C > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 100.0C > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: 2 > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: 3 > >> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: 40 > > > > Use > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > > in sysctl.conf to allow override of thermal settings. Now you can set > custom > > _PSV, _HOT and _CRIT. Worked well for me on my previous HP Pavilion dv6 > series > > laptop. > > More complex resolution of overheating problem - consider to sell HP > asap and > > get any other laptop. HP totaly failed on cooling on almost all models, > they > > are all hothothot. > > I fought for two years the overheading of my HP laptop. Some of the > following might help, or they might not: > > (1) blow the dust out of the dang thing. HP's clog up with dust making > their fans about useless. > (2) make sure the fans are spinning at full speed. > (3) replace any broken fans > (4) give up and get a different computer... that's what I did in the end > (although not until after the power board went out on the goofy thing). > > Warner > While I am not about to defend HP and would never consider buying any HP system, laptop or desktop, the dust issue is common to all systems, laptop and desktop, but shows up more in laptops as they are often used in places where dust is a bigger issue and have very compact cooling systems which are far more sensitive to anything that degrades performance. It's not so much clogging. That takes a huge amount of dust and, more likely, lint. Dust is a great insulator and a thin coating of dust on the fins of a laptop heatsink will greatly diminish heat transfer. I have learned over the past decade and a half that it is really important to blow out the dust on heatsinks annually. I monitor my CPU temps with gkrellm and over the months after cleaning the heatsink idle temperature will slowly climb from fairly cool (52-55 on my old T43) to over 60. The loaded temperature will climb dramatically. A buildworld with clean heatsinks will run at 78 or 79 while a year later I will see temperatures at or near 90. While the numbers vary, I have seen the same sort of behavior on all of my laptops, about five of them. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com