From nobody Sat Feb 3 17:07:00 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TRzbM0fjbz59kMm for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@alexburke.ca) Received: from out-185.mta1.migadu.com (out-185.mta1.migadu.com [IPv6:2001:41d0:203:375::b9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TRzbL5R1Kz4bck for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:07:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@alexburke.ca) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Message-ID: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alexburke.ca; s=key1; t=1706980037; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=OkjgE6A638QtuR2KI6fTLD7xrssHHO3NeotD73C6x+o=; b=LknCBoqQyzZKi5PYD9nLY27D0kcNbDFYMQixuAboA1XDeeonwN2JR5zrb4gF+hiu5yXE4R 9cFo7vj/SYBUTVjKIVhioFuSrBAq3pIxgifZxU7FviOB1Xk7ye6LrF4orSYWRUju91eYEa lU3TrwIvVyur32RmmNWbrc8b/THa3jk= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:07:00 +0000 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Installing/running X11 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20240203144851.d47zguvjtisjdsz4@yosemite.mars.lan> <20240203164541.nibx4olun3jz66rn@yosemite.mars.lan> Cc: paulf@quillandmouse.com X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Alexander Burke In-Reply-To: <20240203164541.nibx4olun3jz66rn@yosemite.mars.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TRzbL5R1Kz4bck X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR] Hi Paul, > Step 9: pkg install xorg > > This is weak at *best*. Obviously, I did this. And according to almost > *every* other advisor I've read, there are more packages which need to be > installed, as I indicated in my original message. There are twelve steps on that page. Maybe keep reading before hitting Reply? > Perhaps you underestimate my level of experience. My apologies; I should have said "given your level of experience with FreeBSD". > I've been running Linux exclusively since 1996. Coming from someone who didn't know about `ssh -vvv` and/or how to parse its output (or look up re how to do so), this is... quite a surprise. I won't take up any more of your time. Enjoy the rest of your weekend! Cheers, Alex On 2024-02-03 17:45, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Feb 03, 2024 at 05:01:43PM +0100, Alexander Burke wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I'm starting to get the feeling that you >> might not have paid as much attention to the wealth of documentation on >> FreeBSD as perhaps you could have. There's nothing wrong with just diving >> in, but a bit of guidance in unfamiliar waters is never a bad thing! >> >> The most general/basic advice is here; in this case, jump to step 9: >> https://freebsdfoundation.org/setting-up-a-desktop-environment-from-scratch/ > > Step 9: pkg install xorg > > This is weak at *best*. Obviously, I did this. And according to almost > *every* other advisor I've read, there are more packages which need to be > installed, as I indicated in my original message. > >> >> Going up a notch in detail is the excellent FreeBSD Handbook. The Desktop >> section has separate subsections for the KDE, GNOME, XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon, >> and LXQT desktop environments. Look around for reviews and screenshots and >> pick one; they are listed here in approximate descending order of >> popularity: >> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/desktop/ > > And of course, this was the first place I looked, since the handbook > *should* be the definitive guide. Needless to say, despite following the > advice there, X is not starting properly for me. > >> >> I also cannot speak highly enough of vermaden's fabulous blog, which has >> generally been my first or second port of call when I had questions before I >> turned to the mailing lists. Here's his page collating all of his entries >> regarding setting up a FreeBSD desktop: >> https://vermaden.wordpress.com/freebsd-desktop/  (scroll down past the >> screenshots) >> > > Been there, too. Vermaden is the one who details hacking the X11 configs > manually, unlike everyone else. And according to every other source, this > really shouldn't be necessary. I don't want to go there unless I have to. > >> There's also the FreeBSD Forums, which are very searchable: >> https://forums.freebsd.org/ > > This could take a while... > >> >> Given your level of experience, I recommend sticking to packages, and not >> touching the port system. You can explore the various packages which exist >> at Freshports: >> https://www.freshports.org/ >> >> Important to remember is that packages are simply precompiled ports. They're >> a lot easier to deal with than ports. >> > > Perhaps you underestimate my level of experience. I've been running Linux > exclusively since 1996. And I'm aware of the difference between packages > and ports. That's in the manual, early on. > > Paul >