From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 22 06:39:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9652C7FDF for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from fedex2.jetcafe.org (fedex2.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fedex2.jetcafe.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 496W5103Xgz3J00 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bigus.dream-tech.com (bigus.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.7]) by fedex2.jetcafe.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03M6dlht077938 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:39:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:39:46 -0700 From: Dave Hayes To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Valeri Galtsev Subject: Re: GPL, not freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture Message-ID: <20200421233946.752c8633@bigus.dream-tech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20200420011735.6448818053ED@ary.qy> <20200421120756.GA98882@neutralgood.org> <21fdc970-5408-51c8-c11e-d2832191e137@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200421222512.23a93b57@bigus.dream-tech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 ( out of 6) ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin version 3.4.2-jetcafeglobal X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 496W5103Xgz3J00 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dave@jetcafe.org designates 205.147.26.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dave@jetcafe.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jetcafe.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7397, ipnet:205.147.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:39:50 -0000 On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 02:13:49 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:25 AM Dave Hayes wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:08:06 -0400 > > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM Valeri Galtsev < > > galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> > > > wrote: > > > > Kevin (and others), > > > > > > > > Please, stop feeding the troll. > > > > > > > > Other mail lists will kick him long time up the thread already. This > > > > list is too kind, and is being abused due to that. Stop helping the > > list > > > > being abused. > > > Sorry to ask a very naive question but since all I am doing is defending > > > FreeBSD's choice of licenses and explaining (IMO) why it is right [to] > > make me > > > a troll? > > This is a common tactic by someone who disagrees with you but cannot pierce > > your arguments and/or convince you of your wrongness. The goal is to get > > the > > list to perceive you as "abusive" (by some arbitrary definition of abusive) > > and hence this person "wins" by removing your ability to debate. > > > > My advice is to ignore it and them. > > You might not of wanted to defend me now you will be labeled a troll by > association. I was neither defending nor attacking. As to labels, these are meaningless to me. I certainly am not going to change my behavior to satisfy someone else's arbitrary sensibilities. Ultimately, this forum's debates are just like every other forum's debates. The same drama plays out. Because their assumptions are shouting too loudly, they cannot hear anything other than their own viewpoint. This seems to be the normal form of human discourse. > It sure would be nice there was some requirement on the list > to state in your signature or something what your preferred OS (and > license) is. That would be like stating your religion in a sea of zealots. It might be fun for some, but it is ultimately futile. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>>> *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* <<<< It is only knowledge that will destroy bias.