From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 21:03:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291801065670 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A6E151DF8; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50563EA6.1050908@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:03:34 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120911 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh References: <20120916053523.GJ37286@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <51B48339-D1FA-49CD-B582-1C58855B024E@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <51B48339-D1FA-49CD-B582-1C58855B024E@bsdimp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Konstantin Belousov , Eitan Adler , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fallout from the CVS discussion X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:03:35 -0000 On 09/16/2012 09:03, Warner Losh wrote: > One of the things we are trying to move towards is that current can be cut into a release branch on short notice. We need to keep it as close to production ready as possible. People I find your response here interesting Warner, given that when I have opposed what I felt were too-drastic changes in HEAD (such as removing sysinstall before a post-install configuration solution was ready) your response has been, "It's HEAD, we can break things ... let's see what happens!" Now that you are the one opposed to the change, we need to keep HEAD "close to production ready." There is a compromise solution here that I have been hesitant to offer because I was really hoping that sanity would prevail. But why not switch the default MK_CVS knob over to "no" now? That will give us an opportunity to see if there really will be any fallout, and easily fix it if there is. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)