From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 5 11:58:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [64.211.219.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A9137B403 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 11:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09803; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 11:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAZlaagt; Tue Jun 5 11:58:39 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18640; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:00:41 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200106051900.MAA18640@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: IPFilter not free software? To: rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in (Rahul Siddharthan) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:00:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert2@mindspring.com (Terry Lambert), brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass), chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010530112848.H57297@lpt.ens.fr> from "Rahul Siddharthan" at May 30, 2001 11:28:48 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > I'll be obliged. Also if you can point at one "InterJet" or > > > > "IBM Web Connections" ad which mentions features specific to, > > > > or use of, FreeBSD. > > > > > > I'm not familiar with these. > > > > OK, so pick "FreeGate" or "Encanto" or "CacheFlow"; whatever. > > Let's take a better known example: Microsoft. In 1995 they used BSD > code for their networking in Windows 95. They widely trumpeted the > networking features in their advertisements (the Internet was just > catching on, and Windows 3.1 didn't have any inbuilt internet > capability). I don't recall any acknowledgement of UCB in Microsoft's > advertisements. Was that, or was it not, a violation of the > advertising clause (which had not yet been removed at that time)? They paid in excess of $2M for the port of the code. Not that that buys them out, necessarily, but I'm not entirely privvy to the terms of their license purchase: it could very well have included a buyout.. > My claim is that the advertising clause would have been violated more > often than honoured, even by well-meaning people. Moreover, it was > inconsistent with the goal of allowing the maximum number of people to > use the software with the least amount of hassle. Good thing there is no such thing as an "advertising clause", except in the cockles of RMS's mind, then... > Dropping it was a good thing. Dropping the claim credit clause was a sill ass political knee-jerk reaction to pressure from, among others, SGI, whose chief scientist was in the middle of helping the company self-destruct with the help of the GPL being applied to all their strategic intellectual property, like XFS. They are basically a hollow shell, with their stock hovering around $2 at an ($4.68) EPS (parens == a loss). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message