From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 27 14:30:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A196C15C499F for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe29.google.com (mail-vs1-xe29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E37088EAE for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe29.google.com with SMTP id q64so1774509vsd.1 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:30:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=M+65mxEmd6dQkI42X4kqBhT4TKQQ3Th9AvKlwwmfxfM=; b=1xNATFaa7U+O+SMZcZEcDSHa7ZKY4VtOUfBkvw7nbq9n/0JWQ+R5Rc2aH6iYbTWk71 HSEoSERa+Fr/APY3JGhUvjW9GToEUUK1hI6R/vn8k3Ms6HVh6PqHNu3R2eH/dvs8V9KI eJj8+eXXO4OxaLLH+HxPZNVVnzgGYcK1rYhxm9G0cfTY8LK+sS0w41/OPaTYcIbvcHaq zo/MVm2KhuaujyUR5o440rEsD6bZ+urxsPWCQvKSEiQgozYvN3B7zpZVYdQK/uEpQtTN foQuNKyRWZgf7VyClI0tItm29xOaRtcBqYRv+H0ZcPcDOZFBv4GjwxKHFAXQeFJC3Q8J WYIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=M+65mxEmd6dQkI42X4kqBhT4TKQQ3Th9AvKlwwmfxfM=; b=VVSwXTDV+4LQ8vfhmXijsINYgRz8+KshKJnB9zKo3fyYFuxjyCUXJ3K80uU6jwCeit XH4WFzFqqKGefMfs8bRw83dpF+GvUoPZkKX1l6WYIUkIin5NC6YwI9PXA4qvb0AiG6qu g3kMT7dWR/Zez5/01QgKI0rerDmRTASjvITsgfHumo8LxJwkZ54I+qnKUQ8TOOsKVePo ylBULRM5e4Yv/dMx7AwTwxSihbK55ztFnXfAUJI5apXDN4mNib4Xcd4zeNAOs/Y09OmV hNY9H2zGqVEq7YkNKU+Tz0iHONyx9/PgGh/XlUBxqkG6GERoENMD8vwtZyJjNbFBodz5 7ytQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXsdbcBZLBfzXHNjs6Uw3WE58jWjc85XFn0HTvBZiGkFEnpGmcs hFCh5Su+5XpAVM4CErVXGH9u3TRyM4xC1Kf/yy8ABQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy7qSrIwhgS6HBqNLOMIM48XuDpR8ZI99+6lmuDWfgufN6+Q3C2X34BWfyrdt4OLOhcUNZq0oP6kGOWP5k2RhI= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ba12:: with SMTP id l18mr2950972vsn.29.1561645805030; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:30:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190626063443.51ad3f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627081518.9dc6f3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627091012.44fc65a7@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20190627091012.44fc65a7@archlinux> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:29:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I've got a major question... To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Polytropon X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7E37088EAE X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=1xNATFaa; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.898,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.06)[ip: (-9.78), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.14), asn: 15169(-2.34), country: US(-0.06)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:30:10 -0000 On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 3:11 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:15:18 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > >I know, this is a very individual point of view and experience, but > >as you can see: It _is_ possible, and it starts with the right > >decision. :-) > > Hi, > > it makes a big difference, if somebody needs to ask for recommendations > or not. It makes a difference, if somebody is assuming "probably > Canonical/Ubuntu would be a better fit than FreeBSD" or knows if it > does or does not. > > > [...] > There's no paper shop without magazines promoting Linux container > approaches as the ultimate solution for everything. Take, for example, > Ubuntu's snap thingy. Due to the container approach some software might > be unable to provide full functionality, since access to software > outside the container could be tricky, even impossible. > > We are discussing a Desktop environment, not virtualization nor containers. For the Desktop, there is not a single Linux distribution that is more user friendly than Ubuntu and FreeBSD is not especially user-friendly when it comes to using it on the Desktop: I am referring to hardware and software compatibility with every day tasks, ease of use and community and/or commercial support. Regarding Linux containers IMHO they are just a bad copy of FreeBSD Jails and in my own projects both personal and my own companies I use FreeBSD with EzJail and I can do what other people are doing with Docker and Terrfaform, etc. Nevertheless, in the mainstream IT industry, sadly FreeBSD Jails are not well known, nor is FreeBSD in general. I say sadly, because it would be a great contender to all the Linux container-based stuff that is being used today. IIRC I started a thread a while ago suggesting that Jails should be rebranded to FreeBSD Containers and things like EzJail should be native. But no one seemed interested in this discussion. > I'm absolutely pro Linux, FreeBSD and anything FLOSS for desktop > computers, but to get work done, I'm using a proprietary product > named after a fruit, too and I at least need to run wine-staging on > Linux, too. Wine isn't without pitfalls. > > Agreed, Wine seems to have run it's course IMHO. Use actual Windows, even if virtualized, when running Windows-based software. > Assuming a company gets work done on proprietary operating systems, > then ensure that migrating to FreeBSD or a Linux distro does provide > what is needed and that the software worked in the past, at the moment > and doesn't have dependencies against phase-out model libraries. > > Choosing a Linux distro is not easy to do and depends much on the > target. > > Here I have to disagree. I used Linux on the desktop _exclusively_ from 1998 to 2012 and I tried most, if not all, the main distros throughout that time and Ubuntu always won in terms of ease of use and compatibility and stuff just works. NVL when I switched to Mac in 2012 it was like having the best of of both worlds and now I am stuck with the complete Apple ecosystem, but I keep using FreeBSD in my servers (since 2006). Best, Alex