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Date:      Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:09:46 -0400
From:      Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu>
To:        "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Cc:        security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why is there no info on the QPOPPER hack?
Message-ID:  <v04011700b1dbf76d45ac@[128.113.24.47]>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980722130309.9891C-100000@sasami.jurai.net>
References:  <199807221640.KAA06112@lariat.lariat.org>

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At 1:17 PM -0400 7/22/98, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Brett Glass wrote:
>> This is Laramie, Wyoming! The person watching the system was an NT
>> expert, and Heaven knows they have to know about security. But this
>> happened so fast after first postings of exploits that there was no
>> time. And there was no CERT advisory.
>
> This is clearly the cause of your problem.  Your attempts to solve
> your administrative problem with a technical solution will only give
> you a false sense of security.
>
> Most people don't let the village idiot watch their horse for them.

This really is overly hostile.  I can sympathize with Brett, who just
got bit bad over pathetic code, a lot more than someone who is just
peeved because Brett is so worked up.  Yes, he's a bit over the top,
but at least I can understand *why* he might be.  Seems to me you
could reply at a few decibels lower volume than he's running at.

It is also not going to do anything but add fuel to a fire, and the
security list is probably already busier right now than it really
needs to be.  I can just see it now, we're going to have people
quiting the security list because it's too busy with dueling
flame-wars, and thus they'll miss the announcement of the next
security problem.


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Garance Alistair Drosehn           =   gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
Senior Systems Programmer          or  drosih@rpi.edu
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

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