From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 5 8:52:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CF537B400 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F343843E7B for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:51:48 +0100 Received: from cream.org (unverified [62.31.80.97]) by pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:46:48 +0100 Message-ID: <3D777D3A.8020601@cream.org> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:50:18 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Kelsey Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NO_SENDMAIL References: <1031191858.24794.127.camel@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Kelsey wrote: >following rules in /usr/sup/refuse: > >*/sendmail* >*/etc/mtree/*sendmail* >*/share/doc/*sendmail* > >This seems to prevent sendmail from acquiring anything more than a token >foothold on my system. I look forward to the day when sendmail, bind, >inetd and other mal-ware is removed from the base system and relegated >to ports where they belong. I also await the official release of 5.0 so >I can build a system without an ancient, broken perl. > This has been discussed to death in various freebsd- lists before. Basically, most people expect unix systems to ship with a working mail subsystem and, whatever your personal feelings about it, sendmail is the industry standard. FreeBSD doesn't have a suffiently fine-grained component-based distribution system to enable us to start splitting every piece of contributed software off, and making them all optional. In the interest of shipping a 'fully functional' system, sendmail is included in the base distribution. Personally, I don't think that sendmail_enable="NONE" is too much to ask to disable sendmail. You only need NO_SENDMAIL if you want to stop it being built. Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message