From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mon Oct 8 16:45:27 2018 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E281510C4733 for <freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from staroscik@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50E7871CFC for <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from staroscik@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id n1-v6so21570440wrt.10 for <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 09:45:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=77idFrOFc4vbUREYbFPjJrxRyAMS+cQaK01RLNo9CEM=; b=Z724qLP0FfoZtqgas/JBOqFw9Zdg+mWja4mxwpMk58gtUhq9A+U2SWDvglIkTyEwgV cTl8YTkTFSRFq3b8OIRcl8gnDHW8YtUgKg0YgScEprrzaLeiqm+pAta2QLKzgW7X4aWz /JRikYIGJQIn3gh4dXw8NGYHEyHGVGmLBPakjFXe5nqvhUmqX6H+6xEC2mnZzlJpKne8 goymEOKwKELx3BCuggu1a3SBEvArjPuB3QGGD1ohakq4/XV4LEwy0T1badnZjaI/vAWo KEJi+v3++3G7zX2WThdd5SmKg4eEwZDdZPjdElwdInTrJf4VgJA8NghgdnHltgFYNFPk oNPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=77idFrOFc4vbUREYbFPjJrxRyAMS+cQaK01RLNo9CEM=; b=rBMjane7i4Gjg8eZCNWU4q+Wo5etwbf9m1qC3x5adYCad+wgHZ501071PcvH+7H+8X jp/XLWIzDWgE/qRYiCxyccN/6SG9ZljGcO9JWFHtwtQbTxnwsWCg7RO70xev8GMoqbGj 1Nmcoy3n4+rIbiMhqyJQzCRCPjTo7Xulvo32KqNMKurXCcXjJQEDX4xrg/RBO4CiaRrp ZYeTGvBScSy7VfP8F759ekVCGDwFS/iIZxPKoCCRAVQmIXCAaHSSL2QBMh/sO1ZgeVRJ tInMwEGuYMsT3IfRRGUtw5cUTzVlOW83Msi1+EQHCVbyAPjZbXMdXqgx3joq/1vjRUBk 96ng== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoiBaUg5W/PHYy9MWG+gmhgRwemhFz/+R5CdsMPRvKc9fQeJCzW7 evpu1Mj69v8cG8YP8KpaAdNHc83ZlZFR0NTrpnpaUg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63dlwW2iVJfCgOwL/WSy5x4x1NMV2RDRyXnhrNlCUni8nUfqpqHQ9uCBcXx63dbdbGNH8kuXencvGT0aEmQVNA= X-Received: by 2002:adf:f0d2:: with SMTP id x18-v6mr18469548wro.287.1539017124582; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 09:45:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Matt S <staroscik@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 09:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: <CADpO5hwn+5VwAEjL+Nuvb1Tw0xPmVuv7qr59NsXszDe4WxStQQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: dmesg submission service -- please submit today To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code <freebsd-stable.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-stable>, <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable>, <mailto:freebsd-stable-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:45:27 -0000 It really seems like the project would benefit from having better hardware stats. If you make it a package, people have to be educated to get it and use it--not that it doesn't have value, it just isn't well exposed and you will only get stats from the most clueful users. I would suggest making anonymized stat upload part of the install and upgrade process, to get wider coverage. - When installing, there's a new step or checkbox with an opt-in for hardware data sharing, defaulting to off - If you opt in, your info is uploaded as part of the install process - Expose the same functionality in a new system-level command like 'freebsd-uploadstats' and make it an optional but suggested part of the upgrade process, which is something most users will see repeatedly if they continue to be users. Perhaps the local machine can generate a hash of the report, check that with the server before the upload goes through. Hardware doesn't change that often. I do not want the project to turn in to Google or Microsoft, but knowing the hardware in use is a pretty worthy goal. MS