From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 7 01:42:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id BAA18263 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jan 1995 01:42:22 -0800 Received: from uhura (slip3.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.5.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA18257 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 1995 01:42:18 -0800 Received: (from cg@localhost) by uhura (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA00237; Sat, 7 Jan 1995 10:36:14 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 10:36:14 +0100 From: "DI. Christian Gusenbauer" Message-Id: <199501070936.KAA00237@uhura> In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information" (Jan 6, 6:59pm) Reply-To: cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at Subject: Re: guest account: Yggdrasil information Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > 1. We have to make configuring as easy as possible for those users, who > > never want to look 'behind the scenes'. There should be a way to install > > and configure FreeBSD for *non-experts*! > > Well, I think we all agree to this, what we really need to agree on is > the *framework*. How does this all-singing and all-dancing > configuration environment work? Scripts? Some sort of TCL based > tool? What? We've had a few abortive attempts at this in the past, I know :-) > but nothing that anybody could ever really use to build a complete > configuration management system! Yes and no. Half a year ago, I wrote a control panel application which works like the Windows one and a user management utility. I posted that to the net and about 60 people got a copy but I got only two or three responses. Yes, that's not a complete configuration management but - in my opinion - it can be the first step. Unfortunately, I don't have much spare time, so I can't write the whole configuration management system by myself :-(! > > 3. All configuration (administration) tools should look and work the same > > way. I myself hate to have 10 tools and 10 different ways to install these > > things (eg. some use a DOS program, some need MS Windows; or: look at > > named, inetd, nfs or even passwd, where I can configure every tool when > > I understand and know the correct syntax of its ascii-file: it's impossibl > > Framework! Framework! Somebody needs to write this kind of > framework! :-) > > Jordan Get a copy of cpl-0.1.tar.gz from our fileserver fimp01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at, directory /pub/soft/unix! That might be a framework! Christian. cg@fimp01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at