Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:00:03 -0800 From: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>, Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1016137017.93980d@mired.org>, Paul Robinson <paul@iconoplex.co.uk>, "Nickolay A.Kritsky" <nkritsky@internethelp.ru>, Peter Leftwich <Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com>, Miguel Mendez <flynn@energyhq.homeip.net>, Cliff Sarginson <csfbsd@raggedclown.net>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <3C8B0473.D544FB8@mindspring.com> References: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <3C86C11C.8A31C8BB@mindspring.com> <15494.52528.125952.145716@guru.mired.org> <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15497.12783.643757.175742@guru.mired.org> <20020309144158.K32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15498.28088.976841.7441@guru.mired.org> <3C8A75A1.C567BB02@mindspring.com> <15498.34475.395754.932338@guru.mired.org> <3C8AFE22.72C005FA@mindspring.com>
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Terry Lambert wrote: > People who came after the charge-for-CPU cycles really had it > a lot easier than those who came before. The PC broke the > stranglehold, making it impossible for the big iron to be used > as a profit center any more. Of course, as previously discussed > in this thread, the people who had unshared resources during > their education have failed to learn a number of important > lessons that can only be learned with shared resources. So > the PC was probably the ruination of most recent computer > science graduates. At least now we are getting to the point > where bandwidth is the major limiting factor, so there might > be some resource constrained growing that results from that. I don't think I can make this point strongly enough. There is no gradation in escalation in penalties these days. There is only a binary switch between "no penalty" and "full scale nuclear response". In the old shared resources days, you would get a tap on the shoulder from the system administrator, and then you would "serve your time" swapping tapes and otherwise having to put up with the crap you would otherwise be making them put up with, all the while being told that you were now a "priviledged user". Power and responsibility were proportional. I would really like it if the penalties were more local and less severe, like they used to be. It would be nice if the system was actually still built so that people could learn from their mistakes, rather than repeating them more and more eggregiously, until the storm troopers kicked in their door, and gave them no opportunity to reddress their sins, nor to learn from them. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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