Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:12:49 -0500 From: Jake Freeland <jake@technologyfriends.net> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Warner Losh <imp@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: af93fea71038 - main - timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern Message-ID: <CAOgZAGa7%2BOGmPsAu=OyaMvva2Bw9CLPJLPucvnFMyzXXDr3iag@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqqahUmXxh6sGiPgiGUJCAqiyXjV-x8XT3Nku7007L7fw@mail.gmail.com> References: <202308242029.37OKTmVs091755@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <ZOyQQgOAap9L7OT1@FreeBSD.org> <CANCZdfqqahUmXxh6sGiPgiGUJCAqiyXjV-x8XT3Nku7007L7fw@mail.gmail.com>
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--000000000000c1239e0604022875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 11:19=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote= : > Added cc for Jake > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 6:17=E2=80=AFAM Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.o= rg> > wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 08:29:48PM +0000, Warner Losh wrote: >> > commit af93fea710385b2b11f0cabd377e7ed6f3d97c34 >> > >> > timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern >> > >> > Move the timerfd impelemntation from linux compat code to sys/kern. >> >> Could you quickly summarize why we need these linuxish bits in FreeBSD? >> We've lived for years without it. Had expected to find the rationale >> in DR but alas. :( Thanks, >> > The amount of software designed exclusively for Linux grows every day. Support for FreeBSD is almost always done on behalf of FreeBSD contributors, not the program developers. I do not want to play the cat-and-mouse game of constantly updating shims so we can support Linux software. I would rather take the sensible* parts of Linux and integrate them into core FreeBSD. My goal is not to turn FreeBSD into Linux, but rather to stay relevant in an age where most younger developers don't even know what BSD is. We should spend more resources on Linux program support, so younger audiences can use their Discord web apps natively on FreeBSD. Absorbing "linuxish" bits is controversial and I think that is a tragedy. In my eyes, having "linuxish" features is one of the best ways to ease the jump between Linux and FreeBSD, and minimize the maintenance needed for FreeBSD support. * https://ariadne.space/2021/06/06/actually-bsd-kqueue-is-a-mountain-of-techn= ical-debt/ Jake Freeland > I'll let Jake answer this and > > > glibc misc/tst-timerfd test fails now under Linux emulation > > I think his new review https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41600 addresses this > issue maybe > > Warner > --000000000000c1239e0604022875 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 11:19=E2=80=AFAM = Warner Losh <<a href=3D"mailto:imp@bsdimp.com">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wr= ote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa= dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Added cc for Jake</div><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 28, 2023= at 6:17=E2=80=AFAM Alexey Dokuchaev <<a href=3D"mailto:danfe@freebsd.or= g" target=3D"_blank">danfe@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol= id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 08:29:48PM +0= 000, Warner Losh wrote:<br> > commit af93fea710385b2b11f0cabd377e7ed6f3d97c34<br> > <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0timerfd: Move implementation from linux compat to sys/kern= <br> > <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Move the timerfd impelemntation from linux compat code to = sys/kern.<br> <br> Could you quickly summarize why we need these linuxish bits in FreeBSD?<br> We've lived for years without it.=C2=A0 Had expected to find the ration= ale<br> in DR but alas. :(=C2=A0 Thanks,<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><= div><br></div><div><div>The amount of software designed exclusively=C2=A0fo= r Linux grows every day. Support for FreeBSD is almost always done on behal= f of FreeBSD contributors, not the program developers.</div><div><br></div>= <div>I do not want to play the cat-and-mouse game of constantly updating sh= ims so we can support Linux software. I would rather take the sensible* par= ts of Linux and integrate them into core FreeBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>= My goal is not to turn FreeBSD into Linux, but rather to stay relevant in a= n age where most younger developers don't even know what BSD is. We sho= uld spend more resources on Linux program support, so younger audiences can= use their Discord web apps natively on FreeBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>A= bsorbing "linuxish" bits is controversial and I think that is a t= ragedy. In my eyes, having "linuxish" features is one of the best= ways to ease the jump between Linux and FreeBSD, and minimize the maintena= nce needed for FreeBSD support.</div><div><br></div><div>*=C2=A0<a href=3D"= https://ariadne.space/2021/06/06/actually-bsd-kqueue-is-a-mountain-of-techn= ical-debt/">https://ariadne.space/2021/06/06/actually-bsd-kqueue-is-a-mount= ain-of-technical-debt/</a></div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Jake Freeland</= div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p= x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div d= ir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty= le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi= ng-left:1ex"></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'll let Jake answer this= and</div><div><br></div><div>> glibc misc/tst-timerfd test fails now un= der Linux emulation<div></div><br></div><div>I think his new review=C2=A0<a= href=3D"https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41600" target=3D"_blank">https://revi= ews.freebsd.org/D41600</a> addresses this issue maybe</div><div><br></div><= div>Warner</div></div></div> </blockquote></div></div> --000000000000c1239e0604022875--
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