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Date:      Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:12:28 -0700 (MST)
From:      John Regehr <regehr@cs.utah.edu>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        <freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Linuxthreads on Linux vs FreeBSD performance question
Message-ID:  <20020404195905.U14205-100000@beryl.cs.utah.edu>
In-Reply-To: <3CACF69D.3A992FFD@mindspring.com>

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> The problem is that it's not clear what the graphs you posted
> are comparing.  In the context of the paper, this will probably
> be mitigated somewhat.  However, there are a lot of people who
> will turn directly to the graphs in any paper, and yell about
> them, so I doubt you are safe, not matter what you do.

That's okay, I'll wear asbestos to USENIX :).

> It would be useful, I think, to indicate what the benchmarks
> *aren't* measuring, in the paper, in addition to what they
> *are*, so that people don't make wrong application of them.
> I'm not saying that they aren't figures of merit, only that
> the scope of the merit is not well defined.

You're right.  I'll try to do this.

> > If it would help draw the flames now, while I can still do something
> > about it (paper is due around Apr 15), I'd be happy to post a pointer to
> > my paper.
>
> I think that would help, but if you are going to publish and
> present, you probably want to limit distribution.  8-(.

I'll send a pointer to the paper to this list in a couple of days -- at
present I still have a couple of sections incomplete.

I think the tool I describe will be interesting and useful for FreeBSD
scheduler people; it's a nice thing to have around for taking quick
measurements without futzing with the kernel.

> I don't klnow if you are using USER_LDT in your compiled FreeBSD
> kernels, or if you have done any other tuning of the FreeBSD to
> make it perform worse (or better( than GENERIC, as shipped, but
> USER_LDT will seriously drop performance as well.

I'll check with our FreeBSD kernel guy.  Thanks for pointers to kernel
functions.

> apples == newer version of Linux.
>
> oranges == maintenance release of FreeBSD that was never supposed
> 	   to happen because 5.0 was supposed to be out by now.

Ok, got it.  I don't follow the releases very closely and tend to be
unaware of the finer distinctions...

Thanks again,

John


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