From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 4 15:33:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F05537B400 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0529D43E3B for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84MXYGd038198; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g84MXYdS038195; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Dave Hayes Cc: Terry Lambert , Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <200209041224.g84COf183120@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: <20020904153037.L13440-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Dave Hayes wrote: > Neal E Westfall writes: > > Basically, its not that "God" cannot be rationally proven as much as > > the fact that without God, nothing could be proven at all. Hence, > > God is proven from the impossibility of the contrary. It is > > unreasonable to reject that which is the foundation for everything > > else. > > The fact that a proof either way is necessary, and takes precedence > over the obvious and observable, is how Mankind got -into- this mess in > the first place. ;) I never said that proof was *necessary*, at least not from a logical standpoint. But given that man is in intellectual darkness and attempts to "suppress the truth in unrighteousness" it becomes necessary to remove self-imposed stumbling blocks that prevent him from seeing the truth. ;-) Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message