From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Apr 19 20:55:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB966B15AE9 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hiren@strugglingcoder.info) Received: from mail.strugglingcoder.info (strugglingcoder.info [104.236.146.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE15916E9; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hiren@strugglingcoder.info) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.1.1.3]) (Authenticated sender: hiren@strugglingcoder.info) by mail.strugglingcoder.info (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 29530171D5; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:55:18 -0700 From: hiren panchasara To: Nathan Whitehorn Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160419205518.GC33164@strugglingcoder.info> References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <1461096962.1232.32.camel@freebsd.org> <76177.1461097581@critter.freebsd.dk> <571696B2.3070100@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <571696B2.3070100@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:55:25 -0000 --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/19/16 at 01:36P, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 04/19/16 13:26, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > -------- > > In message <1461096962.1232.32.camel@freebsd.org>, Ian Lepore writes: > > > >> Oh yeah, now I remember: Because in freebsd, design is decided by a > >> race to commit rather than by discussion. > > No, that's not it. > > > > It is because code talks much louder than words. > > > This is kind of a silly argument here since the code change is trivial.= =20 > There is a potentially large impact on the system that merits=20 > discussion. Moreover, there is a whole bunch of other code still needs=20 > to be written to make this workable in production that depends to some=20 > degree on what choices are made here: what does pkg show for these? How= =20 > do upgrades work? The installer needs modifications to use pkg instead=20 > of tar. It's not clear what the migration path to/from a packaged system= =20 > is, since the packaging is apparently optional. >=20 > If it would help, I am happy to generate a patch to make the discussion= =20 > concrete. Thank you, Nathan. "code wins" is not the correct argument in this discussion, imo. Fwiw, I feel this is one of the sensible threads where things are being discussed without shouting/yelling/shaming. But thats my opinion. Cheers, Hiren --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQF8BAABCgBmBQJXFpszXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRBNEUyMEZBMUQ4Nzg4RjNGMTdFNjZGMDI4 QjkyNTBFMTU2M0VERkU1AAoJEIuSUOFWPt/lrmMIAJSCZ5q6GqiM6Y3NLKfSpwhF 4T2dWCaX21SYwcAG83n90PwEh0PF5xghFaVIqP5djGeC1X8/bfxZ9Zs0VHQ0AmwV o0qXTdf0bBaqqJCFmsFTqye4EFbPLtvhrI1DJRUDtRCwClnAlL/OhjMZlou3rNiW RkCgYE1VC/YtHY1dk/FTAyFEsnlGm7SvDkt82PXmK91A4VQAu+mMLksiEYNy7mHp yOvxq8IdWc4Qgf+CdutvZSZubL5Hg6+jgNuo7fvnQ+LvTVcO3TQDqTZ0CvhtquPc mjPCkZyLxKc7ZZXGTW5Y4Wx2Onp3ImDdIibOcE8RV2EazkjJUZQLKVY5p82zEuw= =I9Wu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VywGB/WGlW4DM4P8--