From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 28 18:55:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A52F29; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stb@lassitu.de) Received: from gilb.zs64.net (gilb.zs64.net [IPv6:2a00:14b0:4200:32e0::1ea]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 688982578; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gilb.zs64.net (Postfix, from stb@lassitu.de) id 7417F8CC5E; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1816\)) Subject: Re: [heads up] axing AppleTalk and IPX/SPX From: Stefan Bethke In-Reply-To: <20131028124221.GO52889@glebius.int.ru> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:54:52 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <139F9446-64B8-4105-AEFB-4F90EDB44792@lassitu.de> References: <20131028124221.GO52889@glebius.int.ru> To: Gleb Smirnoff X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1816) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:55:29 -0000 Am 28.10.2013 um 13:42 schrieb Gleb Smirnoff : > The plan is two axe two old networking protocols from FreeBSD head/, > meaning that FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE, available in couple of years would > be shipped without them. >=20 > 1) AppleTalk >=20 > Last time claimed to be supported by vendor in 2007[1]. In practice > had very little use since 90th. > Discontinued by major routing equipment vendors since 2009[2]. Since Apple has now even deprecated AFP (the file sharing protocol = implemented by netatalk, among others), it=92s time to let go. There=92s a thriving historic enthusiast community around older Macs and = Apple IIs, and I can report that FreeBSD 4 (including then-current = versions of netatalk and for those who care, macipgw) works just fine in = VirtualBox, on FreeBSD 9-stable. Newer FreeBSD versions will likely work = as well. Since AppleTalk (DDP and the layer 3 protocols on top of it) = were originally tuned for LocalTalk and it=92s 230.4 kbps rate, running = a virtualized OS on even very modest hardware will likely incur no = performance penalty, so just shove a VM onto any old box. Stefan --=20 Stefan Bethke Fon +49 151 14070811