From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 02:38:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0655F9A3C62 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EA81ADC for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D1DC89A3C61; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78EA9A3C60 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84BB11ADB for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: by iebmu5 with SMTP id mu5so46811846ieb.1 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:38:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=dglL4WQEZ2VwPuYZ6ehBOWbToz1fpE0SgCIQ3U5rQw0=; b=dOfhssF4xWtOjwwvuXIEWLvBhpi3jRGocPTwOZ/o5/AqdCOSQs8IddeDPKxDRV2iuW CJBuqQVl46qtT4VVrFs+BaFkrBzn6rEtofk/+L4YVyv69NUQ+MECp8+CXnW0vr1aJVXu 3O4ViCs0z8AKpdXpTDsUmaEb4P0BFBKMr8avvV/vwmR0OIss9mTpk3C58nNIMokJdec3 iJvSPAwnZbz9VfhO1UU9F5+bdxfBRTKRMpk8kUjCKjKDbF8VkvLui7aLeoRn6MflTpvx Gkt/YVjKpbh3eMTUUJZCaKjd0nUtCXuo4Iksy9+bizgplZF0BQ/EVjt5ErM3SiMBSSW3 sC4w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnIP1Wi/yNXLNx6Zbab4D/tFiwrPTc3MQTVa4C89bXjpBa5usoAak3VlTehE4gp4W7HuFlp X-Received: by 10.107.163.16 with SMTP id m16mr7886587ioe.31.1437013851975; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.27.94] ([96.88.71.26]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s5sm446868igh.6.2015.07.15.19.30.50 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: add inverse option to ministat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0690CF42-3866-4D99-88FD-E78BA1D4EF01"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <80033.1436992253@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:30:50 -0600 Cc: John-Mark Gurney , arch@freebsd.org Message-Id: <10B832D6-08CB-4D4A-910D-75808CDE6549@bsdimp.com> References: <20150715002013.GZ8523@funkthat.com> <77609.1436942964@critter.freebsd.dk> <20150715071534.GE8523@funkthat.com> <78059.1436947590@critter.freebsd.dk> <20150715174139.GJ8523@funkthat.com> <80033.1436992253@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:38:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0690CF42-3866-4D99-88FD-E78BA1D4EF01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 15, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp = wrote: >=20 > -------- > In message <20150715174139.GJ8523@funkthat.com>, John-Mark Gurney = writes: >=20 >> There are lots of tools the repeat functionality... and it's only >> getting worse... And the amount of code that this adds is strikingly >> small... >=20 > We do agree that is not a coherent argument, right ? >=20 > I still think it is a step in the wrong direction, and that it should > therefore not be taken. I agree that this is a step best not taken. This is ministat, and why = are we optimizing for this one use-case, when there=E2=80=99s dozens of = other that I=E2=80=99ve wished for over the years. What=E2=80=99s next -l for = log(x) and -e for exp(x)? But if reason doesn=E2=80=99t prevail, can we at least name it right? = The current name isn=E2=80=99t quite appropriate. You=E2=80=99re transitioning from time = domain to the frequency domain, and just saying that it=E2=80=99s inverse. 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