From nobody Fri Aug 4 04:42:54 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RHCkq6bZTz4TtK7 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 04:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RHCkq5n5tz3N77 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 04:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1691124179; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=dt6Edqi6JNq34WIcFnWca/SvWL68YVjH+oNdvfBVcZs=; b=uQiZse0Z9ouEnSeT3LwGTyX5JXpiGsDYyw8M//HAiZQ9CidXmp+RsiKo+/IyWj7kWjyKaP 00bnYHo4sd/X/sC6gDdidmavsAHDAlyQ39jw4eiAjuK0Di+kE1OPX4JeHc68p2vg/MLXxL +SJNygfJHPkUffwVgfEPBFVigUc0g7S9e09N48iONQ4CXkksRean393qEr6g5itv7nUrus d3F4lXMPNuaolsq/HItbf+hRtfm9ChV1LSYbVhrEuHM2nQr2ywz5EPCBBkPgztth0qD5bq 2c4Bcyew7xDBfQkzEKXe/ETx+CnJT7M9w8llanI70S+R6JxZO0I4daL4txMdpQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1691124179; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=dt6Edqi6JNq34WIcFnWca/SvWL68YVjH+oNdvfBVcZs=; b=vBQYYT3P1MpBx6AVYHQerzSn9N6DR+a1HSETl/tjnj644Vq4+NhAOEPBtITMEQrZUzyemf CvJeMqAWnQs+1VfaJIe07O3XFiTVrHLx8MAG/yP1gWPYY5ZDtxpu8Ime7BHM9gVspxeEVa Qtn/GC8PdaQoinfeeSqQRuBGDCwy+lAtFFFn+y36F4lo19VTPcHaONK28YthqWvEpI4GqA 39MoOrIgQjHLck9p+kSUBEGLmRDMucgtfVJ/vzo2Av3rBxFfydAbM//DkHb9iJGHis/JeO GtHlFG/apVux8GCkKZSt6dmhikyqAcggFUUv9kQw263iWrRuHtEPyhYj40mwoQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1691124179; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qv+3aIqw9FjEq28VVuwm011LWY9KRFQDomFWw9JgqT5OW+WIVdFY+Nk8xlGEtFBtlWne+3 NfMnv130yaNcud5fFl+f6Y1meoAcn9WrHKMnxeIoKuxlmYJ16/8KwP3PVd/5d70TIW4DKQ rdFeBwn3zRiziYwdOWr9TTt3vnQFCMtpQjcAdO/gGRvHmVuCTd2oq4bqh0Na5AHLUtuWmq RiCIREf6McWSsj4JhhcyIS9tvAbHqObdwPYqmhPPzXshgkiJvDQha3BxSN8WiEakwSG2CC KFpeP7sixB+faMtABLCFlgD+KWVyx0elXYm256bTUahKzbeJgERN2Vd7xOCvUg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [10.9.4.95] (unknown [209.182.120.176]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: kevans/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RHCkp4v1wzpt1 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 04:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <72ca79fc-8b03-5305-01b5-71c1519ac6f6@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 23:42:54 -0500 List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.12.0 Subject: Re: Future of 32-bit platforms (including i386) Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <07405397-366b-9171-0144-9b22caa7868d@FreeBSD.org> From: Kyle Evans In-Reply-To: <07405397-366b-9171-0144-9b22caa7868d@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 8/3/23 23:34, John Baldwin wrote: > On 8/3/23 2:36 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >> John Baldwin wrote on >> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 19:57:08 UTC : >> >>> On 7/27/23 10:49 AM, shurd@FreeBSD.org wrote: >>>> On 2023-05-24 01:35, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 16:46:51 -0700 >>>>> John Baldwin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 4/27/23 10:19 AM, John Baldwin wrote: >>>>>>> . . . >>> >>> It's not just about make tinderbox, it is also about keeping platforms >>> viable. One big example is that we probably need to start supporting the >>> use of rust in the base system in some form in the not too distant >>> future, but rust isn't supported on armv7 on FreeBSD (and someone would >>> need to do the work to make that happen). >> >> I'm confused about the "isn't supported on armv7 on FreeBSD" >> claim: > > Please see https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=254853 > as an example.  According to that bug at least rustc is not doable > under qemu-user which is how armv7 packages are built. > To be clear, that really only matters for user builds. bsd-user has been replaced in all official builders, as far as I'm aware, and official armv7 packages are done with COMPAT32 on an arm64 boxen. Thanks, Kyle Evans