From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 9 15:50:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39609106566B; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACCA8FC16; Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n59FrWdY043751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:53:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4A2E84DC.1010900@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:50:52 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-GB; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20081204 Thunderbird/3.0b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Naumov References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:50:55 -0000 On 9/6/09 15:57, Dan Naumov wrote: >> UFS2+SoftUpdates works fine on properly configured UFS2 - and very fast. >> > Yes, UFS2+SoftUpdates is very fast, however, in the case of a power > loss or having to pull the plug on a locked up system, it has a > noticeably higher chance of leaving you with an unbootable system than > if you were using Linux with ext3/ext4 or Windows with NTFS. > > > Interestingly in my experience its been the opposite, I've lost a few ext3 filesystems though bad power, same for NTFS (NT4, less so with 200x) but as yet never for ufs2 (fsck has always fixed it.) That said, there have been a few projects to update/replace/whatever sysinstall, look at the desktopBSD installer (bsdinstaller) and finstall. I'm not sure what the status of either of these 2 are though. Vince