From nobody Wed Sep 11 00:55:15 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X3MYg3jnNz5V4q7; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 00:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob.fx907@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x630.google.com (mail-ej1-x630.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::630]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X3MYf6729z4KQ4; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 00:55:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob.fx907@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x630.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a8d2daa2262so386447966b.1; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:55:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1726016116; x=1726620916; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8OOORre1APQx/atxC+Yz/cGDDA5j4dnQedINsPQZPgY=; b=e/9kOjgBAW3I4UV61UIh0+zCFF57kqptx7lJ2pW+bEnVktLGehRFkqmqYLERHUu+PC i++waLqMkdr/n11GW+CpE+jH+tXOpgOVtbpmjU51GI0Vr0DIoabgfD6VPVIGyqFaEHfz VW4iOhHGfQdweH0ogA5MoVk+CbJVUn8FDLjYvHOl39lOEZfnlGZaqc9moxXJURsWGZUf kFS4ZtL9yWSpuxBqiF4UyOK9yg+1KKmS5S7Ib3uAmWV4OivNi2+gbVfbU7NU1o2DbSy/ WPNen6uZQLZBqY5kcIW/GkzAIHMwP+X/eJF0uddI7EjToX5G55QuHNRjBbFALJ4T9lzM I+NA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1726016116; x=1726620916; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=8OOORre1APQx/atxC+Yz/cGDDA5j4dnQedINsPQZPgY=; b=CGnF44KOGXK16puzY1PMIKsC7uTMo4e7KQIk9Of0SRvYxJGF3Oj8Td+VvmbsfCEsjE 2gJrvbWqfryyV0EHMGUbTytNUKpn+jon3DleeEYsZTmePdEGOMKaueV0bSPtsm/9GBMy UdRfOoydtkp1S8VzLtd4nPezYu9OKMJFPskn+W5u/uJTB1IC9ChRyZotg2tSxqzflh/q 605japAzLW9AyYZDYIQOnnzDjIUVEjmm1aRmsXiEUKsIKYeYhmv2FbhQuEsH7/ATCyyd c+4KqK1IVKKNm28eoMw0eUuEBEazwNSvinrF71yS+g0RR9gIS9FKSa5tcvyZHy0M8CRv wzHw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCU+wxA7KYH9RV9QIBeEGIy7ECE1u+EjOzMvPpNIge9/WXIrcxyJgvBTYvLDv1mC5/al2mSUyzaEhplxeRg=@freebsd.org, AJvYcCUaO9YA9C/dqpNl1QMixaLMXQ7j4DVddkAEFahIHWYHE94aMVeg72L5RV0gygnNbClLa4vwqudWu+q1spdE9PQ1@freebsd.org, AJvYcCWpBgeD2TQG+G/+GnhKPgwZfMa93zliMA0ODrP0jagEOrOEE4ZJi80U/nWHvYKjAWONvgKj+Nrpob/lMV4=@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzV3w27Ny9AbzVb6lKPL3jiHAAq76F94GnOAAQkxY666MhHNpS/ eSI8o/+JT26GBMdH7RtZPf2qeJDmCWyronNZDqmhsUKASGtxqVOoKvLtUQkx7QK2s9j3kjgcOIe EaD4NlnqZWE9YrWrRPnTdSXGfoqc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEljO2MLm6QccSzBgyWmdCPtGh+yfzDLn1w3uiLQkvzazIAbScpIEH5p/CExvXJBgcWdWKJZvI55cF3wAf/f6s= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:2d1e:b0:a8d:2faf:d341 with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a8ffaaafbc7mr233657166b.10.1726016115968; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:55:15 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a17:907:7b06:b0:a7a:caa2:b01 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:55:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20240911024735.37522532@nuclight.lan> References: <20240910040544.125245ad@nuclight.lan> <202409100638.48A6cor2090591@critter.freebsd.dk> <20240910144557.4d95052a@nuclight.lan> <4D84AF55-51C7-4C2B-94F7-D486A29E8821@FreeBSD.org> <20240910164447.30039291@nuclight.lan> <3F3533E4-6059-4B4F-825F-6995745FDE35@FreeBSD.org> <20240911011228.161f94db@nuclight.lan> <20240911024735.37522532@nuclight.lan> From: Rob Wing Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 16:55:15 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: That's how (why) BSD is dying (Was: BPF64) To: Vadim Goncharov Cc: David Chisnall , Poul-Henning Kamp , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-net@freebsd.org" , "tech-net@netbsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007811300621cd713b" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X3MYf6729z4KQ4 --0000000000007811300621cd713b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tuesday, September 10, 2024, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > > > What's the point to waste resources on writing thing that is known to > be not accepted to base system from the very beginning? what's the point of talking about thing you're never going to write/finish even if it was accepted? Or even bikesheds are in short supply now? have you considered calling it eBPF++ or BPF128? at any rate, don't claim the sky is falling on the grounds that I think your proposal is far fetched if you think you've got a great idea and have a need for it, then write it and use it - if other people adopt it, even better all the best to your endeavors and don't let the naysayers hold you back -Rob --0000000000007811300621cd713b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024, Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> wrote:
What's the point to waste resources on writing thing that is known to be not accepted to base system from the very beginning?=C2=A0<= div>
what's the point of talking about thing you're n= ever going to write/finish even if it was accepted?

Or even bikesheds are in short supply now?<= /blockquote>
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have you considered calling it eBPF++ or = BPF128?

at any rate, don't claim the sky is fa= lling on the grounds that I think your proposal is far fetched
if you think you've got a great idea and have a need for i= t, then write it and use it - if other people adopt it, even better

all the best to your endeavors and don't let the nays= ayers hold you back

-Rob
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