From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 17:04:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1EA35C34D for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCJbf5MX2z3YqC for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCJbc73LKzFcg2 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:04:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595523885; bh=OppioEM64cKH/ond9WF4S9hTDEx76NxNsfbYpDlDXoo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=R3L1J5FZxd+GuX7Hon5W9QhJOt8Y0+1+Qwj5qDPkYX+OYX12QBQM4nnkWlEgEykD5 +GNqovO8N4vy/M1I5bEdRDFyyh05VAIOFKWSBH+IRWjEODSHfAKvdTL74hJJJNMKNG U9kZnmJlplX8dS5kbKtRoCg98zgJzKh03p4eFu9s= X-Riseup-User-ID: 58165575EC45F2E1601791BC67FE3A4A16A6EE3CAC26564EB8EB0C2CF951AF97 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BCJbc2HBTz8tRn for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:04:32 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: odd issue affecting firefox (any version) on freebsd (any version) Message-ID: <20200723190432.5d75f98d@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200723160700.GG46914@bastion.zyxst.net> References: <4e356f78-b1f0-4bce-98fe-2f86d827a767@www.fastmail.com> <20200723160700.GG46914@bastion.zyxst.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCJbf5MX2z3YqC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=R3L1J5FZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.18 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.011]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.571]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:04:48 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:07:00 +0100, tech-lists wrote: >wonder if i can run firefox with debugging, or will it be javascript >debugging. It's hard to debug without first knowing what is likely to >say "posting failed". a real chicken-and-egg thing. > >I dunno which would be most useful, there are quite a few debugging >options but surely it is fastmail themselves who are saying "sending >failed" ? In which case firefox debugging would show nothing... > >On top of that, all other fastmail.com website/webmail stuff works in >either firefox. It's just sending email that is broken. > >arrrrggggg! > >maybe it's my account?! lol I never used a debugging option, but when save-mode fails, too, I start with a new profile or even better I add a new user, log in as the new user and start Firefox from the new user account. Browsers are a PITA today. Since it works for you using another browser, I wouldn't waste any time and use this one instead. There is a certain irony in the fact that I'm using "Edge" to play web radio on my iPad Pro. I pay a lot of money for a very expensive Apple product, to run a Google based Windows browser. On Linux I migrated from Firefox to Qupzilla/Falcon, then back to Firefox + Google Chrome for some media streams. At the moment even Google-Chrome is broken and I'm back to more or less Firefox only. On Linux I can build two bloated kernels parallel with stuff I never ever need, let alone tailored kernels, in around 90 to 120 minutes, but building a single bloated browser takes at least 120 minutes. A 3.9G tmpfs works for almost all bloatware, even for many kernels, but not for a web browser, such as Firefox. There's an old Emacs joke, saying that Emacs is a great operating system, lacking only a decent editor. You could say something similar about web browsers, they are operating systems (not necessarily good ones), without a decent web browser. What ever OS I'm using, I usually use a handful of different browsers, for different purposes.