From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 20:02:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A7B106566C for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 20:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961218FC0C for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 20:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4RK28kn094844 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 16:02:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id q4RK288o094841 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 16:02:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 16:02:08 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201205252012.07799.lumiwa@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 27 May 2012 16:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: Re: why I am upset X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 20:02:16 -0000 On Sun, 27 May 2012, Warren Block wrote: > There can be a tremendous investment of time in using software, whether > "free" or not. Money too, often. > > Those who work to write, port, and support free software also spend a > tremendous amount of time in doing that. Money too, often. > > So both parties have a large investment, and it's easy but counterproductive > to get emotional about it. Take a deep breath, be polite, and try to > appreciate the other guy's problems. Otherwise it just ends up creating more > problems, and there are already enough. Warren makes a great point. In years past Greg Lehey used to post, "How to ask a question", or something similar. Its worth resurrecting that. As I recall, the major points were: Nobody here is getting paid to do this; there are a great number of people with a wealth of information willing to help; and, its up to the one asking the question to do it in such a way as to peak someones interest. >From an earlier post: On 05/26/2012 05:40 PM, Franci Nabalanci wrote: > I did use portmaster for KDE 4.8 update and it stopped: > > The devel/kdebindings4-python port has been deleted: kdebindings ports have > been refactored. > > Update aborted. > > And I don't know how to save a problem. If it is repeatable, re-do the operation with: script error.log I use [and love] FreeBSD as a workstation because: I get better performance with hardware that I would otherwise throw away. I am sure of this because no charity will take anything I am "done" with. I assume all on this list use FreeBSD for similar or their own reasons. Hence the 'captain obvious statement', the FreeBSD sucks threads tend to degrade in direct proportion to their length. When things go wrong with upgrading a workstation port tree they can [often??] go really badly. A couple of tools and/or techniques can help: pkg_cleanup, pkg_tree, the pkg port to revert a port to a previous level. Check out anything named pkg_ in the port collection.