From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 16 10: 7:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu [128.147.18.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C7F37B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: by 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <34TVM8AA>; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <46AEB8C1B628D511969200508B6FE42A6684A9@1upmc-msx6.isdip.upmc.edu> From: "Person, Roderick" To: 'Steve Tremblett' Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: ARRGH Netscape stinks! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:05:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10E19.8AF9C300" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10E19.8AF9C300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I see your point here. I have been a opera fan since before it was free. I used the linux demo(60 day or something free then purchase it) on Fbsd and was already to buy it when they came out with the ad version. I would like to think that they came out with the ad version to compete with IE and NS but I just could be dreaming here. AFAIK, they don't make anything else so it would be hard for a browser company to try and break into that market. Anyway, Opera is suppose to be HTML 4(or is it 3??) complaint not IE or NS biased. But as someone who doesn't pay attention to ads most of the time, I've never been bothered or even notice what ad are displayed on my Opera. But now I'm curious about this junkbuster and such. I wonder if it will work with Opera and will it speed up Opera? Roderick P. Person Programmer II personrp@ccbh.com "Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind." - General William Westmoreland > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Tremblett [mailto:sjt@cisco.com] > Sent: July 16, 2001 12:52 PM > To: Person, Roderick > Cc: 'Steve Tremblett'; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: ARRGH Netscape stinks! > > > +---- Person, Roderick wrote: > | why would you be morally opposite to 'Opera with that > advertising crap' when > | the vast majority of web sites have ads all over them? > | Even your link has an ad on that page. I'm just curious. Of > course you can > | pay for Opera and get ride of the ads. But I would guess > that would be more > | oppositional that having ads :) > > Why would I invite MORE ads onto my desktop if I can barely stand the > ones on the web? So intrusive and obnoxious. I can't change someone > else's website, but given a choice (which I have in the programs I > decide to use), I'm going to do without the ads thank you very much. > > And I _am_ willing to pay for software in the case of "we offer this > for free but would appreciate your support", but not in the case where > "this is annoying until you pay us". If I pay for it will they give > special attention to a bug that I find (as opposed to a non-paying > user)? I doubt it - I can't find out for sure because their damn > website doesn't display properly in Netscape, which implies that they > likely endorse Explorer extensions. > > It's all about reinforcement (remember Psych 101?) - every ad that is > delivered to your desktop is a validation of their business model, and > every one you click is double. Even if I see an ad that interests me, > I NEVER click through it - I just open a new window and goto the site > directly by address. > > To be honest, all this ad stuff became unbearable some time > ago, I just > have been to busy to investigate the solutions - I hear junkbuster is > good. If a suitable one does not exist I'll make one myself. > > *sigh* > > Sorry for the offtopic rant! :) > > -- > Steve Tremblett > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10E19.8AF9C300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: ARRGH Netscape stinks!

I see your point here. I have been a opera fan since = before it was free. I used the linux demo(60 day or something free then = purchase it) on Fbsd and was already to buy it when they came out with = the ad version. I would like to think that they came out with the ad = version to compete with IE and NS but I just could be dreaming here. = AFAIK, they don't make anything else so it would be hard for a browser = company to try and break into that market.

Anyway, Opera is suppose to be HTML 4(or is it 3??) = complaint not IE or NS biased. But as someone who doesn't pay attention = to ads most of the time, I've never been bothered or even notice what = ad are displayed on my Opera. But now I'm curious about this junkbuster = and such. I wonder if it will work with Opera and will it speed up = Opera?

Roderick P. Person
Programmer II
personrp@ccbh.com

"Without censorship, things can get terribly = confused in the public mind."

    - General William = Westmoreland


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Tremblett [mailto:sjt@cisco.com]
> Sent: July 16, 2001 12:52 PM
> To: Person, Roderick
> Cc: 'Steve Tremblett'; = freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: ARRGH Netscape stinks!
>
>
> +---- Person, Roderick wrote:
> | why would you be morally opposite to 'Opera = with that
> advertising crap' when
> | the vast majority of web sites have ads all = over them?
> | Even your link has an ad on that page. I'm = just curious. Of
> course you can
> | pay for Opera and get ride of the ads. But I = would guess
> that would be more
> | oppositional that having ads :)
>
> Why would I invite MORE ads onto my desktop if = I can barely stand the
> ones on the web?  So intrusive and = obnoxious.  I can't change someone
> else's website, but given a choice (which I = have in the programs I
> decide to use), I'm going to do without the ads = thank you very much.
>
> And I _am_ willing to pay for software in the = case of "we offer this
> for free but would appreciate your = support", but not in the case where
> "this is annoying until you pay = us".  If I pay for it will they give
> special attention to a bug that I find (as = opposed to a non-paying
> user)?  I doubt it - I can't find out for = sure because their damn
> website doesn't display properly in Netscape, = which implies that they
> likely endorse Explorer extensions.
>
> It's all about reinforcement (remember Psych = 101?) - every ad that is
> delivered to your desktop is a validation of = their business model, and
> every one you click is double.  Even if I = see an ad that interests me,
> I NEVER click through it - I just open a new = window and goto the site
> directly by address.
>
> To be honest, all this ad stuff became = unbearable some time
> ago, I just
> have been to busy to investigate the solutions = - I hear junkbuster is
> good.  If a suitable one does not exist = I'll make one myself.
>
> *sigh*
>
> Sorry for the offtopic rant! :)
>
> --
> Steve Tremblett
>

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