From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 9 13:48:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26457 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26434 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:47:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA01965; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:47:31 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981110084727.55542@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:47:27 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Annelise Anderson , Phillip Salzman , Open Systems Networking , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X desktop contest? + Desktop Env References: <7819.910633456@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <7819.910633456@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 09:44:16AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 09:44:16AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > It is astonishing to me that FreeBSD continues to ship with a two > > default shells that are not good for interactive use and an out-of-date > > window manager, and remains relatively difficult to get up and running > > in critical areas, specifically graphics, printing, sound, and communica- > > tions. > > Not so astonishing - it's quite clear by these results that the number > of people who actually CARE about this must be very small indeed. To be more precise, the number of people who both care and know how to do something about it must be very small indeed. It is equally possible that these groups are both large, but do not overlap. The results indicate nothing about the total number of people who care. The most helpless users probably care most, and are seen least. Give them more little ways to contribute without making it their life's work, then those who can-do will see better reasons for improving on these feeble attempts. I can't see how it could work any other way and be sustainable. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message