From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 16:55:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C616106566C for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62AD8FC15 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so3308006bkc.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pvHEXmoln9dKs+/QMcDgpxo6hxgsHWRH51MqSQvWXGQ=; b=0snaBzZpjmWTAGb15nWdeITphhTyl/fXXEGz+WHRqGqqXUjme3sjNW6FjEyPzPnVX9 ezdY3FMkd2XSaNcRT7bX7ijNa47uahIDfj/4uX6STA7vgWtyMaSvPgptetxTPw4jKOQB DNeu+lsn26/9JfuhSt9y5y4V5zLy4OHI9bvgwo6ZZSeka7QD/jcMOswn55ry4aFP0yOq 6BW+9g0kYxNwac4OOHj7vJbmxLYuJ5CR0zMExGRJGuHZ6cZ0kPgbqYuwzS91uhDhOh5w /U01r8ngssjWVPJNmqftY0/RUxWGdkCygMfAWvTVMBbeomJ8P3O36Q6Qhj2Qre7QSNmF Afpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.109.166 with SMTP id ht6mr26933547lab.46.1341507350849; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.37.74 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:55:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4FF5BF27.2030609@my.gd> <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 16:55:52 -0000 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 7/5/12 6:38 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> inexperienced users. >>> >>> Having to enable it manually defeats its very purpose. >> >> so is FreeBSD future direction to be moron-OS just like linux is now, or >> is that just another stupid idea on that forum that came and... will pass? >> >> Quite important. There are still people that want normal OS. > > > Just because you don't like the idea doesn't make it stupid, and just > because it comes from linux doesn't make it bad. > > The "-p" flag to netstat comes from linux and I would dearly like to see > it on BSD, for example. Well, technically FreeBSD's netstat already has -p (which can be used to get the same result as -t or -u on Linux). ;) And you can get the same info from "sockstat -P tcp" as Linux "netstat -tp". But, yeah, "netstat -antp" is much easier to type than "netstat -an -p tcp; sockstat -P tcp". :) -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com