From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Jul 27 14:14:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C67363CFE for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFhd5232Mz3Xrc for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 43602363D58; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B26363BE7 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BFhd462vXz3Y18; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D82931CA3A; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:14:13 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Emmanuel Vadot Cc: current@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nightly snapshot for CURRENT ? Message-ID: <20200727141413.GH34565@FreeBSD.org> References: <20200609214756.13e9cbbc2de12bbb78839875@bidouilliste.com> <20200609195630.GN97889@FreeBSD.org> <20200609220407.d745b7a073f58254ff2db714@bidouilliste.com> <20200724223135.7f3522f97968ce82b9b245ad@bidouilliste.com> <20200724220607.GG34565@FreeBSD.org> <20200725001452.152479d2afe405bfc4302863@bidouilliste.com> <20200724222839.GG61041@FreeBSD.org> <20200725122942.dcdfc0211bf6ab0706c86587@bidouilliste.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/2994txjAzEdQwm5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200725122942.dcdfc0211bf6ab0706c86587@bidouilliste.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:14:17 -0000 --/2994txjAzEdQwm5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:29:42PM +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 22:28:39 +0000 > Glen Barber wrote: >=20 > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:14:52AM +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 22:06:07 +0000 > > > Glen Barber wrote: > > >=20 > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:31:35PM +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 22:04:07 +0200 > > > > > Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:56:30 +0000 > > > > > > Glen Barber wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 09:47:56PM +0200, Emmanuel Vadot wrot= e: > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > I've just hit again something that I've hit (and probably = others too) > > > > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > If a change in base break some ports and it's snapshoted i= n the txz > > > > > > > > available at download.freebsd.org, you need to wait a week = for the next > > > > > > > > tarball to be available. > > > > > > > > Since poudriere uses the tarball when you setup a jail it = means that > > > > > > > > the only solution you have is to recreate your jail by buil= ding it, and > > > > > > > > since building world nowdays is very expensive that delay y= our work too > > > > > > > > much. > > > > > > > > Would it be possible to generate the tarballs every day in= stead of > > > > > > > > every week ? At least for tier-1 arches. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Let's revisit this sometime next week after 11.4 is out. > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Sure, works for me. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Ping ? > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > I thought the artifacts from the jenkins builder for CI were suffic= ient. > > > >=20 > > > > Glen > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Yes and no, > > >=20 > > > I can add something to poudriere for getting the tarballs from the CI > > > artifacts but that won't be by default. > > >=20 > >=20 > > To be honest, that would be the preferred route, since updating the > > various *.txz distribution sets would break things like bootonly.iso, > > mini-memstick.img, and so on. >=20 > Why would it break things ? >=20 The bootonly.iso and mini-memstick.img do not contain the distribution sets, only the MANIFEST file. So, people using these to install a system would not be able to do so, because the checksums for the sets would not match that in the MANIFEST. > > In other words, we already have a system in place that generates these > > archive files, so I personally see no need to disrupt the "official" > > snapshot build process to appease a subset of the user base while > > unnecessarily adding a pain point for the rest. > >=20 >=20 > If only the sets are generated each day I don't see how it can cause a > pain to anyone. >=20 See above. 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