From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 11:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23749 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:48:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23613 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23522; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd023475; Mon Mar 23 12:48:03 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08455; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:47:59 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803231947.MAA08455@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #75 To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Cc: ejs@bfd.com, tlambert@primenet.com, fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk, toniel@flash.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803231923.MAA06617@usr06.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 23, 98 07:23:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Oh wait, that's not why destination filtering is a *good* idea, that's > > > why it's a *stupid* idea... > > > > Stupid for your situation, Terry, not for mine. Blocking all hotmail is > > not fine for us, because some of our customers are using hotmail. > > Not that Hotmail is relevent, but... > > Just FYI, Hotmail is a harvester. If you send mail to a Hotmail > user from a non-Hotmail user, or if a Hotmail user sends you mail, > your address gets "harvested" and put onto a for-sale "SPAM me" > list. > > Juno does the same thing, as do three of the four "unsubscribe me" > ``services'' referenced from the Ziff-Davis page. I didn't realize this was not going to "chat", like it was supposed to, according to the last claims for "followups to chat". For the record, let me note that the "harvesting" could be covert, instead of being corporately sponsored. It could very well be that these places have inadequate hiring practices, in which case they could end up with an untrustworthy employee selling their mail logs to the highest bidder. Obviously, from my previous mail, I think that this is a relatively improbable explanation, but it *is* a possibility (however almost astronomically remote I believe that explanation to be). It could also be that their sites have been compromised by SPAM'mer crackers (an even more remote possibility, IMO). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message