From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 26 2:52:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530BA37B806 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marc.Espie@liafa.jussieu.fr) Received: from mail.liafa.jussieu.fr (liafa1.liafa.jussieu.fr [132.227.81.128]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.10.0/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id e3Q9lpU81497 ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (espie@localhost) by mail.liafa.jussieu.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) id LAA26476 ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:47:51 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:47:51 +0200 From: Marc Espie To: Alexander Langer Cc: Alan Cox , Brett Glass , Jeroen Vreeken , linux-usb@suse.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, misc@openbsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org Subject: Re: [linux-usb] Anti-NDA petition Message-ID: <20000426114751.A30666@liafa1.liafa.jussieu.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Alexander Langer , Alan Cox , Brett Glass , Jeroen Vreeken , linux-usb@suse.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, misc@openbsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org References: <4.3.1.2.20000425140001.00bf1100@localhost> <20000426111313.D1245@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000426111313.D1245@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:13:13AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:13:13AM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Alan Cox (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk): > > will release source. I have a fine vision made camera with a stable driver > > from a vendor who has been helpful. > That's fine for you. You are ignoring thousands of other people who > own cams of other vendors that might want to switch to an open-source > OS. Yes, he is. SO WHAT ? This is Open Source software. People don't have to go out of their ways to help you. There is already enough to do with nice vendors. You want support for other vendors' stuff ? Then get your ass into high gear, and start lobbying for information *full* disclosure. > Your opinion clearly points out why MANY people keep Windows and not > even consider switching. > And this in a time where I here "Let Linux become ready for the > Desktop" everytime and everywhere. > That's amusing, > Alex > PS: It's not only amusing, it also shows why many companies stick to > NT (or even commercial Unices), since they will never find such an > attitude there. > -- > I need a new ~/.sig. Well, I believe you mostly need a huge reality check. Most companies don't really care about the attitude, they care about the money. And the size of the market... which is why a few companies have switched to giving Open Source support. I couldn't agree with Alan more. Especially since there is more to free OSes than just hyped Linux... *and* the community doesn't benefit from binary drivers under NDA, which is what the less enlighthned companies will tend to put out when they find out about the money they can get from the Linux market. Just say No to less enlightened companies with pointy haired bosses. -- Marc Espie |anime, sf, juggling, unicycle, acrobatics, comics... |AmigaOS, OpenBSD, C++, perl, Icon, PostScript... | `real programmers don't die, they just get out of beta' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message