From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Apr 19 21:13:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D10FB14370 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chmeeedalf@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x230.google.com (mail-ob0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B13D17A8; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chmeeedalf@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ob0-x230.google.com with SMTP id bg3so21860872obb.1; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:13:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=yMCrela1aN2iVokHA407Kc9I8AuzS3xLG4kz3NFJz8I=; b=ETCW8/6K6PnFeS67tVyYXlZNF6rvs9zgmobXTUA13GF4lLDqsJE4QFwBJp7mmNJj4f OkAE3TnLFYMA20V3Bvm7wXTqCBBHeeMPiDXWCXPXwSd9156aFCve1G6g6w6U5Gqva2N9 BSIcmJk37IqyAz0/wStwvZikrrv6Sp4fjNkbEhrxf9OJ9msN6oHtIX9TroUigcG0RXwX PVTsrnfPrhnfBzeH7vKqWgN0ykea4yTl1w1bJ5B8wBI07COQSwzGiI/0GkDZc9l1A5bU VbTh1yWf4MonN1kaCypw4UkwoXSvDtY4vE9gnG/lTx7as4A/KWe/mPc3+ibRl3rkfv7t bmYA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alumni-cwru-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=yMCrela1aN2iVokHA407Kc9I8AuzS3xLG4kz3NFJz8I=; b=pCRe5db3nNCQJoaSTrF4bzdDH2OdKqhIdSpWCAAbj0+Vy8srFSU2TkBHldv/46DfIz i3JIIjH73HxYjODAmlvBrBXHFndUf0t8YDkqyX8T5PjQX+dTjUEqPuIO6KOdxmehlcwa 6mUaUOjpk+WR2XYCFkO6hWFUhO40+496AtVoccgaky7q61nmlDaUlxXb+MFg2IBdLVod NDuyo1pNEXoDkRYcQws3Dy7GrjILnrcaxiqvlEmXeVcqiY7bFbEBOuvPXWydckzgdwVA 4lxDJCW+l6QbqtBVh12/czXcxfBSJEvyTLSZcH0UMVP6hbHxzIN/Jg8p+Asm195T9z7w niBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=yMCrela1aN2iVokHA407Kc9I8AuzS3xLG4kz3NFJz8I=; b=UtabA50NljPJFKZpbwm+Gb4nvAhRBkv9FFpGyba9eDasoGsTJpWu/KRXpsKKwrVHPJ Dmvn52zfdtPOi1fAQpL+o/iK9fL37MLIVGzRcRBrqSQkjfRNuMTJrQfy92ad5OHXjoKg D+Oq28Q6hfLXFwxFYZZR0oJuGjxCFyV+w1Tb+NJH2j3hFDqU23POyRBf+ERortXAp2Yr hX9y++LLko6vYx0V1br1DTNi81M8qLaUC7SvE1GWfT3Z+AnIyCehyPKGDonGtGWf8Ss7 uypv7AyVoHPCfKmuEXvxcVyujP9QGXmiMBufdhwWhvK5PART6pvMT3iEtPKy21xWbGQv Zr+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWyCVga8pdG/BztIVnNhPAGhd8GB1ufwfJI50g30B4ZGO3qjR+R9YYOmRtGnODrrH4QpsM9KhurYJovAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.18.49 with SMTP id t17mr2304237oed.81.1461100432133; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: chmeeedalf@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.33.8 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:13:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <571696B2.3070100@freebsd.org> References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <1461096962.1232.32.camel@freebsd.org> <76177.1461097581@critter.freebsd.dk> <571696B2.3070100@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:13:52 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ML8rdJpED5TrYUp2etdQy_QuO6c Message-ID: Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) From: Justin Hibbits To: Nathan Whitehorn Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:13:53 -0000 On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > > > On 04/19/16 13:26, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> -------- >> In message <1461096962.1232.32.camel@freebsd.org>, Ian Lepore writes: >> >>> Oh yeah, now I remember: Because in freebsd, design is decided by a >>> race to commit rather than by discussion. >> >> No, that's not it. >> >> It is because code talks much louder than words. > If it would help, I am happy to generate a patch to make the discussion > concrete. > -Nathan Please do. Practical is always better than theory, in practice. It's easier to debate on practical grounds. - Justin