From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 03:25:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451416A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.intellex.com (mail.intellex.com [199.233.213.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0337743D48 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:25:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@mail.intellex.com) Received: (qmail 98567 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2004 03:32:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 35624 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 13:41:38 -0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (216.136.204.119) by smtp.intellex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 13:41:38 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056C956017; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:22:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8EE16A598; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:22:30 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E8616A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:11:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118EF43D41; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:11:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B15E5148D9; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:11:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:11:30 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:22:17 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:01:56 +0000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:25:37 -0000 On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Scott Long wrote: > 2. New installer. [... sysinstall] is fairly good at the simple > task that it does [ ... ] I'll put my bugmeister-hat on and simply say that query-pr suggests otherwise. I have not spent sufficient time examining each of the PRs to figure out what the breakdown is between 'bugs within sysinstall'/ 'unable to boot FreeBSD on hardware'/'user error' but IMHO the first group contains more than a handful of PRs. (the total # is 142.) This is not to say we should abandon the KISS principle and try to come up with some all-singing/all-dancing "thing"; in fact, the opposite. I'd rather we spent time on making something small and solid which would contain enough of its own documentation to prevent people from tearing their hair out while trying to use it. Unlike much of the rest of the system where we assume users have at least some familiarity with FreeBSD (and a working browser), we have to engineer an installer that assumes that both of those are false. Unfortunately for me I probably will never be able to work on this unless someone wants to pay me to work on FreeBSD full-time; too many other things are ahead of it in my personal FreeBSD queue ... mcl _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"