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Date:      Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:39:18 +0000
From:      "Pete McKenna" <pmckenna@uswest.net>
To:        Jim Shankland <jas@flyingfox.com>, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ATX boards and restart after power failure
Message-ID:  <9810122239.ZM23552@otto.oss.uswest.net>
In-Reply-To: Jim Shankland <jas@flyingfox.com> "ATX boards and restart after power failure" (Oct 12, 12:50pm)
References:  <199810121950.MAA15990@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com>

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I've commented on this before and I may be who your refering to.
We use Tyan Tahoe S1648S boards and they don't have a bios setting but do have
a MB jumper right between the IDE headers that disables this "feature". Don't
know if the same holds true for yours. I believe some did make a ciruit to
temporarily pull the soft switch to ground for a Tyan board as well, but don't
recall who.

	Pete


On Oct 12, 12:50pm, Jim Shankland wrote:
> Subject: ATX boards and restart after power failure
> I know this has come up before, but I haven't found the discussion
> in the archives.
>
> We have been building systems based on the Tyan S1572 motherboard
> (ATX form factor, TX chipset).  It turns out that when there's a
> power failure, these systems stay down when power returns until
> a human or other mammal presses the soft power-on button on the
> front.  Furthermore, *this "feature" cannot be disabled*.  (On
> the equivalent Asus board, the TX97-X, there's a BIOS option --
> "AC Pwr Loss Restart" -- to disable the "feature".)
>
> Now, I'm as much of a fan of power management as the next person, but
> the mind-numbing stupidity of deliberately building a system that
> can't be restarted without human intervention after a power failure
> has me speechless (well, nearly).  Maybe FreeBSD and Linux are barely
> blips on these people's radar screens; but have they ever heard of
> Windows NT?  Or even Windows 95 users who want their machines to pick
> up FAX calls around the clock?
>
> Anyway, enough ranting.  My questions are:
>
> * Is this likely to be a BIOS configuration item that, for whatever
> reason, was deliberately omitted from the configuration screen?
> I.e., is there a software-only solution to this problem (either we
> poke the CMOS by hand, or look for a BIOS update)?
>
> * Somebody (I think on this list) actually made a hardware mod
> to their boxes to simulate "mammal pushed soft-power-on button"
> when power came up.  If that person or anyone else has any thoughts
> on how to go about this, I'd like to hear them.
>
> * I'd love to hear more about which ATX Socket 7 boards are
> similarly damaged.  So far, the data points I have are:
>
> 	-- Asus TX97-X:		OK
> 	-- Tyan S1572:		BROKEN
> 	-- Asus P5A:		BROKEN? (was told, haven't seen this myself)
>
> The P5A is particularly disturbing, as it's the successor to the TX97-X,
> with the Aladdin chipset.  If this is true, then Asus is making
> negative progress.
>
> Thanks in advance for any information.
>
> Jim Shankland
> Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc.
>
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