From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 30 14:13:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE216A408 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cruzweb@gmail.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC14A43D48 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:13:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cruzweb@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.42.11] (c-68-61-214-252.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.61.214.252]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20060430141336014001uvfpe>; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:13:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4454C610.4040005@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:13:36 -0400 From: John Cruz Organization: Cruz Web Development User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Edwards References: <33BF4116-4A55-4B03-8791-37B4B8ACEB52@antsclimbtree.com> <12AF2FD6-1149-4012-951A-84F55BB1A6F9@wisc.edu> <20060427165206.6256f5fb.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Intel Macs and FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: john@cruzweb.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:13:42 -0000 Mark Edwards wrote: > At the risk of digressing on this topic, I want to add that I am > actually at this point deciding between FreeBSD for the migration > (i.e. 4.x on an old Gateway to 6.x on a Intel Mac Mini) and Ubuntu. > > The idea of moving to Ubuntu is that it might be simpler and less > time-consuming to maintain a package-based system rather than building > so much from source as I end up doing on FreeBSD. And that the fact > it is a GUI-focused distribution might simplify things a bit (the idea > being that Ubuntu has a very set design, less open-ended than FreeBSD, > perhaps easier to upgrade?). The GUI might also help when others who > are less unix-savvy than I have to or want to work with the server. > > I considered migrating to OSX on the mini, and I do maintain an OSX > Server machine at work, but I don't like the lack of a port system. > Everything has to be built and fitted in manually, and all monitoring > of updates is also manual labor. Fink has its usefulness for desktop > software, but the server packages are lacking. > > For the record, this server runs apache/php/mysql, exim, cyrus-imapd, > proftpd, netatalk, samba, spamassassin, clamav, squirrelmail, mailman, > and DNS. Stuff like that. It has about 20 users, it isn't super busy. > > So, how about it? Is the concept of running this off of Ubuntu being > easier than FreeBSD just a pipe-dream? I have messed with Debian and > Ubuntu, but never tried to run a server off of either. I would love > to hear from people who have been down both roads, whether there is > some sense to it, or if I should just stick with FreeBSD. > > Thanks for any insight, and thanks for the responses to this thread > thus far... > > -- > Mark Edwards > Ubuntu has a pretty good package manager system, open the little window, find the program you want, and it installs it. It's nice, much better than that RPM stuff. No ports system like freeBSD, but still nice. The GUI should not be an issue. You should take a look at DesktopBSD http://www.desktopbsd.net/ which is freeBSD configured for the GUI right off the install , much nicer on an environment where others may be using it. Aside from these desktop friendly configurations, it's exactly the same as any other freeBSD. This is the route I would go if I wanted GUIness. -John