Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:18:34 +0000 From: "Peter Harrison" <four.harrisons@googlemail.com> To: "FreeBSD" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? Message-ID: <4f03386c.87cde30a.26cb.ffff8eda@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio>
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Jerry,
Sorry for top posting. Take offense if you like.
The o= nly thing I have to say after experiencing the last few days
on-list is to = (gently) point out that not everyone's goal in life is
to run a system like= Windows. If that was what I wanted I'd be
running Windows.
I find F= reeBSD more intuitive and easier to use. And I'm prepared to
accept that I = have to be a bit picky about the hardware I buy. I
consider it a price wort= h paying.
Would I like better hardware support? Of course! But if th= e price of
that is a fundamental change to the OS interface, then I think t= he
price is too high.
It strikes me that Ubuntu are running very fas= t to turn Linux into
Windows. They'll have good device support and a strong= GUI layer. I'm
sure that will fit a lot of users needs, but /not mine/.
People who wa= nt that should use Ubuntu. Or Windows. People who like
the freedom and "con= figurability" offered by FreeBSD should use
FreeBSD and accept the payoff. = And we should all just rub along,
happy in the knowledge that we have chose= n the system we want.
--
Pe= ter Harrison
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On 3 Jan 201= 2 12:11, Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> wrote:
On Tue, 03= Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000=0D
Da Rock articulated:=0D
=0D
> On 01= /03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote:=0D
> > I have a Toshiba Sate= llite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek=0D
> > RTL8191SEvB wireless= card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize
this=0D
> > card and ca= n't use it, but Ubuntu does.=0D
> >=0D
> > Would it be po= ssible to go glom a Linux driver off the web=0D
> > someplace and = install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless
to=0D
> > work? I'm= using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy=0D
> > thing = sticking out like it does.=0D
> >=0D
> Unfortunately the API= 's are completely different. Adrian Chadd
does a =0D
> lot of work on= Wifi in FreeBSD, but I'm not sure if its on the
todo=0D
> list or no= t. Try a search on google...=0D
=0D
This is what drives me to pull my= hair out. I have stated several
times=0D
that all the *nix/*BSD consort= ium needs to do to become truly=0D
competitive in the market is to devis= e a uniform API that works the
same=0D
on FreeBSD as on Ubuntu and every= other non-windows based system.
The=0D
concept is so simple that it ama= zes me that it was not
implemented=0D
eons ago.=0D
=0D
The problem= is that the non-windows operating system authors all
behave=0D
live lit= tle children. None of them can simply get along. The all
have=0D
to insi= st that "they" have the best and everyone else is wrong.
They=0D
swing b= etween Narcissism and Paranoia on any given day. You would
have=0D
an ea= sier time getting a Jew and a Muslim to sit down at a table
and=0D
enjoy= a ham dinner than you have of getting the powers that be in
the=0D
non-= windows community to agree to anything, other than their hatred
of=0D
Mi= crosoft of course.=0D
=0D
I have spoken with representatives of compa= nies, the last one
being=0D
Brother International, who plain out stated = that they only
support=0D
Microsoft (naturally - they offer the easiest = and best documented=0D
system for driver installation) and a vanilla Lin= ux solution.
They=0D
openly stated that there is no way that they would = even attempt
to=0D
write software for a market as fractured as the *nix/= *BSD community
and=0D
then be straddled with the problem of supporting s= uch software.
Hell,=0D
every time someone in the BSD community dotted an= "i" in the
kernel=0D
source code the poor driver authors would have to = rewrite their
device=0D
code. Certainly a task I would not want to be as= signed.=0D
=0D
Ubuntu is years ahead of FreeBSD in creating a useful = and fully=0D
functional desktop, I read where they were working on makin= g it=0D
possible to use a driver disk intended for Microsoft's Windows O= S=0D
usable in Ubuntu. They were working on a method of simply extractin=
g=0D
the code needed directly from a CD and using it directly on Ubuntu.=
Now=0D
that is what I call true "forward" thinking.=0D
=0D
The au= thors of FreeBSD, and to a lesser extend Linux remind me of
group=0D
of = of passengers left floating in the ocean after their ship sank.
The=0D
b= est case scenario at that point would be to be rescued by
another=0D
pas= sing ship. However, while waiting for that to occur it would
seem=0D
log= ical to grab onto any object that floated by and thereby allow
the=0D
st= randed individual a better chance at survival. If these were
Ubuntu=0D
s= urvivors there would be no question as to what they would choose
to=0D
d= o, as well as some of the more enlighten *nix" users. However,
the=0D
*B= SD users, especially the FreeBSD ones would rather drown than
accept=0D
= a solution that was not counter to what everyone else was trying
to=0D
a= ccomplish.=0D
=0D
I have, mistakenly I admit, stated that there are n= o drivers for
lots=0D
of devices currently available on the market, espe= cially the higher
end=0D
ones. That statement is essentially incorrect. = There are drivers
for=0D
these devices, and other OSs are taking advanta= ge of them.
FreeBSD,=0D
in its unending war against simplicity and conti= nued insistence=0D
on reinventing the wheel, refuses to avail itself of = them.=0D
=0D
You can lead a horse to water; however, you cannot stop = it from
running=0D
head long into the desert and dying of thirst. Stupid= ity IS its
own=0D
punishment.=0D
=0D
It took the Catholic church u= ntil 1992 to admit that Galileo
Galilei=0D
was correct and the earth doe= s rotate around the sun. So there is
hope.=0D
Perhaps someday FreeBSD wi= ll become "enlightened" also.=0D
=0D
-- =0D
Jerry =E2=99=94=0D
= =0D
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