From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 5 18:20:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA17677 for current-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17671 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA01570; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:49:53 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199708060119.KAA01570@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Current is currently really a mess (was: Re: Tk/Tcl broken(?)) In-Reply-To: from Tim Vanderhoek at "Aug 5, 97 12:19:00 pm" To: hoek@hwcn.org Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:49:53 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, jkh@time.cdrom.com, helbig@MX.BA-Stuttgart.De, andreas@klemm.gtn.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tim Vanderhoek stands accused of saying: > On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > > > I don't want to sound like I'm coming down on anyone here, but if the > > ports stuff was set up to be less intertwingled with the base system, > > this wouldn't be so much of an issue. > > Doesn't something seem very wrong with saying "Ok, we're going to > have Tcl in the base system, but no applications are allowed to > use it."? No. Applications can _use_ it; what is wrong is the ports collection _depending_ on it. Please avoid mixing Tcl specifically with the problems with the ports collection generally. The ports collection should make a minimal set of reasonable expectations about the host system, bearing in mind that it is no longer a single-target collection. All that has happened here is that it has become clear that it is not reasonable to expect the version of Tcl in the base system to remain the same. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[