From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 11 06:21:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3D516A41F for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from igorr@speechpro.com) Received: from speechpro.com (speech-tech-2.ip.PeterStar.net [81.3.190.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A41943D46 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from igorr@speechpro.com) Received: from sysadm.stc ([192.168.2.26]) by s1.stc with esmtp (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1E36QR-000NpB-6t; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:20:23 +0400 Message-ID: <42FAEE33.9070205@speechpro.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:20:35 +0400 From: Igor Robul User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050518) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <42F7F7E8.1020507@mail.uni-mainz.de> <42F9009E.3030601@mac.com> <42F9609E.1010207@goldsword.com> <20050810023111.GA2913@FS.denninger.net> <20050810024618.GA8198@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810081251.05298ff0@64.7.153.2> <20050810133159.GA10150@FS.denninger.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050810094204.06c46098@64.7.153.2> <42FA1F16.7000204@goldsword.com> <20050811115550.O24996@sbk-gw.sibnet.ru> In-Reply-To: <20050811115550.O24996@sbk-gw.sibnet.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archived: Yes Cc: karl@denninger.net Subject: Re: ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=11441599 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:21:08 -0000 Maxim M. Kazachek wrote: > SoftModems works (well, almost) perfectly under Windows. Some of these > works under Linux. SoftModems is the best, because they are cheap and > works under Windows. The FreeBSD is puny OS just because they lack > support of Software modem. > The thing is as worth as much you paid for it. If Silicon Image made > BUGGY hardware, we should do just two things: > 1. (the way we walked) Mark it as BROKEN. Perhaps we should document > it, BUT... If things don't work, READ the manual, at last... > 2. (the way linux walked) Try to make some QUIRKS to avoid problems > for performance. The QUIRKS count will grow and some time later the > NORMAL controller become QUIRK. > > Even if we choose second way, there will be a lot of rocks at Soren's > side, that "Goddamn, I've purchased SiI3112 card, WD Raptor, why the > my config DAMN slow comparing with, say, config with ICH... DAMN, fix > this IMMEDIATELY". Completely agree! Also, SII3112 does NOT work with Windows WELL. You just cant "make -j4 buildworld" on Windows to have EASY way to put reasonable load on controller. But I have seen reports from Windows users about brokeness of some integrated (and not integrated) SATA controllers. Most of FreeBSD users just ASSUME that hardware works with Windows, because they (users of FreeBSD) dont read forums of Windows users. Just try "SII3112 Windows trouble", also pay attention, that most Windows users just dont know which SATA controller is embeded to their motherboard.