From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 17 05:01:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA11592 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 05:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA11585 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 05:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA12708; Fri, 17 May 1996 21:42:21 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605171212.VAA12708@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Re(2): Standard Shipping Containers - A Proposal for Distributing FreeBSD To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:42:20 +0930 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at May 17, 96 05:13:10 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Wackerbarth stands accused of saying: > Here is what's broken: > > 1) For the new sup user to get started, sup has to download > the entire source tree, even though the user already has most > of it from the tarball or the CD. This is irrevocable. The tree on the CD is on a dead-end branch, and can't trivially be bent back to either of the main threads without a monster master update. The proposal of putting the CVS repository on a/the CD is a much smarter idea. This would make it practical to check out part or all of the tree in a state ready to be updated. > 4) The whole process of setting up a new user is too confusing > even if they RTFM. It would become much easier to describe the > process if we eliminate the exceptions. 1. Go to /usr/src 2. say 'sup -v /usr/share/examples/sup/standard.supfile' Go have a pleasant dinner. What could be simpler? ctm is fine for people who want read-only source, and are willing to carry it all. sup is much better for people who like to tinker with their tree. And consider this: if someone can't manage either ctm or sup, how the f* do you expect them to do anything useful with the source? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[