From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 20 22:47:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BAE1C7 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [173.164.244.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459277B7 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FD269FA01C; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at merrymeet.com Received: from mail.merrymeet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (merrymeet.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mUfQh-+oR7Tb; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [173.164.244.97]) by mail.merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EFE2469F9FEC; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.23.30] ([173.164.244.98]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:36:59 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:36:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [Cryptography] trojans in the firmware From: Jon Callas In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:36:55 -0800 Message-Id: <711B69EB-1CBF-4F03-9336-AFEBE0B857A0@callas.org> References: <54E2B04C.9080707@av8n.com> <54E436FB.9000709@deadhat.com> To: Henry Baker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:56:34 +0000 Cc: cypherpunks@cpunks.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, cryptography@metzdowd.com, Jon Callas , grarpamp X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:47:14 -0000 On Feb 19, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Henry Baker wrote: > I would love to be able to program this device myself, instead of = relying on Samsung's firmware. >=20 > BTW, what's the point of AES encryption on this pre-p0wned device? = More security theatre? NAND memory runs faster when the hamming weight of the data is = approximately even between zeroes and ones. You can speed up NAND flash = by running the data through a suitable whitening function. AES is a great whitening function. If you then go to the extra effort to = do key management, you have security. It's a simple matter of = architecture and programming. :) Jon