From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 10 15:10:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20213 for current-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20180 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by diablo.ppp.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vBTI7-000QWWC; Thu, 10 Oct 96 23:09 MET Received: from [193.141.161.123] (monster.pong.ppp.de [193.141.161.123]) by pong.PPP.DE (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA21568; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:01:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199610091306.JAA05163@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:00:45 +0200 To: John Fieber , Charles Henrich From: Stefan Bethke Subject: Re: 961006-SNAP comments Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 17:30 Uhr -0500 09.10.1996, John Fieber wrote: >On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Charles Henrich wrote: > >> Why are we forcing people who probably have no clue to go mucking with the >> device table? > >Because this marvelous PC architecture we have often requires it. >Except for people who use only the hardware and software that >came installed on there machine, just about every PC user will at >some point confront IRQs and the like, or they will pay someone >else to. > >If we try and hide the issue, a fair number of people will reach >a dead end and give up before they get started. [...] considering we can't >change the PC architecture, its the best direction to go. Well, the few times I had to install '95 or NT (not that I would suggest '95 being an OS or anything), it detected the hardware (SMC Ultra, NE2000 clones) without problems (the other cards were PCI). Also I've been told that '95 typically detects hardware quite nicely (I'm not talking PnP or PCI). I now have installed both 2.1.0 and 2.1.5 a few times, and I think better automatic probes would be helpful for people "who probably have no clue". Personally, i prefer -c and building a kernel immediatly anyway. Stefan P.S. if only the visual editor would support pcvt correctly... -- Stefan Bethke Hamburg, Germany