From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 17:09:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E679106566C for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:09:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@dataix.net) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F048FC08 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so8989208ghb.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:09:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataix.net; s=rsa; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=mDIaND3bpQ9erGPJBIEwSblOTrlsyK1jEqJPKMk/gbk=; b=BGj8hNWHBH+WZMoFmw6CoZ6ZlXBaFlVQsHNqFRIvJMVIiVuHUXbxXb7JS9+jLX904z G6dl1hoeqK747cOX1ltBIHCT/caOFA/pvfJVCOWA+Y+8jtekr5JE2TBANTaF79oVzEas WWQ1OxVRkT8FG2ccsSvAWayKbGqsmYTqnsB9w= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-gm-message-state; bh=mDIaND3bpQ9erGPJBIEwSblOTrlsyK1jEqJPKMk/gbk=; b=B8uh7jOXYkIxq4Kd8iGlVXpWcVF0FVr6gKEeaIBjIOvcQPZuFW0SxiFrjH38ADIHSs g2HKA9XhlGW1akleUQs9GxQMHE7XlVD0UNILr5ttbgn7zy8v9NatZpKhD35L8vlljYVP 1hqOP4HyQMV+hvMnUwoRfjZ2pXGHw7jiD1g5eLKl0Mh+LOoR0p5HCwWJc7RBTMxe9MLZ 3M9o+3JEEK77Rb+zt9yulCwwR3QK/T8FRLtiYmkFn5zz6FQq/vOkUS5MBIPQJszEz8qI ij1YUn3qShqP7zlJbImRkZ4k+X9ekzvFds2pZ53O1exlQJ+jh5XXC6g4+aTFa0lM/eRl 3yUA== Received: by 10.50.179.74 with SMTP id de10mr312347igc.61.1341508188822; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (adsl-108-73-115-46.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net. [108.73.115.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ay5sm397900igb.15.2012.07.05.10.09.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q65H9iIC043818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:09:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q65H9i80043817; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:09:44 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Damien Fleuriot Message-ID: <20120705170944.GA43725@DataIX.net> References: <4FF4BEED.10103@FreeBSD.org> <62039A45-92E4-4588-988D-6DF39D7B01E5@bsdimp.com> <201207050922.25815.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <4FF5BE93.4010509@my.gd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FF5BE93.4010509@my.gd> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmiD5dzx/T955VVJHKFmCg6IbGWxYDxse4+IUbCWywo/hp8F8LwZ+Pz1gkjU08wP6w+dzEr Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:09:50 -0000 On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 06:19:31PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 7/5/12 11:03 AM, Doug Barton wrote: > > On 07/05/2012 01:28, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> On 2012-Jul-05 09:22:25 +0200, Jonathan McKeown > >> wrote: > >>> As for the idea that Linux refugees need extra help to migrate, > >>> that's the sort of thinking that led to things like: > >>> > >>> alias dir=ls > >> > >> Whilst we're on the subject, can we please also have #define BEGIN > >> { #define END } wired into gcc to help people migrating from Algol > >> and Pascal. > > > > Um, this kind of elitist crap really isn't helpful. > > > > If the new feature gets created, and you don't want to use it, turn it > > off. No problem. > > > > I appreciate the people who've spoken up as to why they wouldn't want > > to use it, but I haven't seen anything yet that says "having this > > feature is a universally bad idea." > > > > Doug > > > > > As long as it can be toggled off system-wide, persistently (sysctl?), I > can't see the harm in bringing that in. Haha sysctl... thats going quite a bit too far into the system for this. -- - (2^(N-1))