From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 10:09:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4664C16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:09:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mx.aegisnet.de (a.mx.aegisnet.de [213.238.36.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4046043D2F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:09:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cz@aegisnet.biz) Received: (qmail 26562 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 10:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.aegisnet.biz) ([213.238.36.211]) (envelope-sender ) by a.mx.aegisnet.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2005 10:09:26 -0000 Received: from 213.39.192.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user cz@aegisnet.biz) by www.aegisnet.biz with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:09:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <2469.213.39.192.6.1105092566.squirrel@www.aegisnet.biz> In-Reply-To: <41DE4504.5040300@ebs.gr> References: <41DE4504.5040300@ebs.gr> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:09:26 +0100 (CET) From: "Carsten Zimmermann" To: java@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: FW: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:09:08 -0000 Panagiotis Astithas sagte: >> However, as another person said, freebsd users >> only use the port and not the binary. >> And taking into account the many areas of need in the rest of >> the system in its current status (5-STABLE, CURRENT), >> i think it would make sense to save the money that was supposed >> to go to SUN, for funding development of other areas in the system. >> >> Most users are quite happy with jdk14 i suppose. > > Although I am one of those users happily using the jdk14 port, I can't > say that I find the situation satisfying. When I am trying to pitch a > Java solution on FreeBSD to a customer I have to ask them to have the > jdk preinstalled for me, since I can't legally redistribute it. Clients > who don't have an existing FreeBSD installation or don't care about the > solution's underlying OS (which is why they usually pick Java in the > first place), wonder why on earth they should not go with Linux instead. > Hello - to me, the point is the compatability certification Sun gives for a binary distribution (or am I wrong here?). I agree that building a port for a customer's admin that maybe eats 2 hours of paid worktime shouldn't be the point. But it is third party webhosters or software developers who are in great need of a 100% compatible Java for _productive_ environments! You can't offer a managed server (or whatever) based on FreeBSD for Java apps and I wouldn't even think of letting my bought in business application run on a "please-don't-use-the-jdk14-port-on-productive-servers" FreeBSD Java port. I must admin I don't have a glimpse about what it costs to have Sun distibute Java binaries but it is definately nessecary for FreeBSD to become more professional. Cheers, Carsten -- Carsten Zimmermann mailto:cz@aegisnet.biz Aegis:Net IT-Dienstleistungen Postfach 620371 22403 Hamburg http://www.aegisnet.biz Info: +49-(0)700-AEGISNET Fax: +49-(0)40-98760547