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Date:      Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:49:18 +0000
From:      Big Lebowski <spankthespam@gmail.com>
To:        Oliver Peter <lists@peter.de.com>
Cc:        freebsd-pf@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: NAT Reflection rules for FreeBSD PF
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On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Oliver Peter <lists@peter.de.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 01:03:54PM +0000, Big Lebowski wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Oliver Peter <lists@peter.de.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > El duderino,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 10:30:59PM +0000, Big Lebowski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to set up a 11.0-R PF based NAT for group of jails that
> needs
> > > > to be able to talk to services on other jails, just as if they'd be
> > > clients
> > > > from outside of the network. Apparently, this is called 'NAT
> reflection'
> > > > and I was able to find examples for OpenBSD PF here:
> > > > https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/rdr.html (bottom of the page).
> > > >
> > > > Obviously, their syntax doesn't work on FreeBSD PF, so how to
> achieve the
> > > > same thing? How to allow jails NAT'd on $ext_if (xn0) coming from
> > > > $jails_net (192.168.0.0/24 aliased on lo0) to talk to each other,
> via
> > > the
> > > > $ext_if external IP?
> > >
> > > We did something similar in a customer setup a while ago:
> > >
> > >         nat on $int_if from $jail_host to any -> $int_ip
> > >         rdr pass on $int_if proto { tcp, udp } from $jail_host to
> $ext_if
> > > port{ $service1, service2 } -> $int_lb
> > >
> > > Cheers
> >
> > Thanks for your response Olivier! Would you mind elaborating on it a bit
> > more? I don't understand what you're trying to achieve here, since the
> NAT
> > doesn't happen on $int_if (lo0) but instead on $ext_if (xn0). The $int_if
> > only holds the jail's IP addresses from the $jail_net range. How does
> that
> > compare?
>
> Ah, it could be that this is a bit different since you only have a single
> machine, our example was a gateway with two interfaces (ext/int) doing NAT
> for some machines behind.  Since your packets are created on lo0 and
> routed to xn0 it might be different.
> Another idea would be to re-route the packets between the two interfaces:
>         pass out quick on $ext_if route-to $int_if from ($int_if:network)
> to $ext_if:network
>
> This might interfere with your regular outgoing traffic;  maybe the "to"
> part needs a bit tuning.  Furthermore I'm not sure about the source
> addresses...  We have this in production to route some DNS traffic via
> VPN.
>
> Split horizon DNS is no option?
> Sorry for not being very helpful.


No worries, you've been most helpful so far :)

The host has two interfaces, I simply chose lo0 for jails, because I wasn't
aware it would matter, so, if needs be, I can migrate jails IP's from lo0
to xn1 - would it make difference in that I'd now be able to implement the
reflection somehow, or would I need to get the jails out of the host
entirely and make the host to provide gatefway functionality only?

Regards, BL



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