From nobody Mon Jul 15 10:24:03 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WMywr44xFz5QcQX for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:24:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (ciao.gmane.io [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WMywq5j9Fz43Yc for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@m.gmane-mx.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-stable@m.gmane-mx.org designates 116.202.254.214 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-stable@m.gmane-mx.org Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sTIsL-0002kJ-1n for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2024 12:24:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Anton Shepelev Subject: Re: Change to FreeBSD release scheduling etc. Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:24:03 +0300 Message-ID: <20240715132403.997c4734a02fea34a049220a@gmail.com> References: <0f3ac4f8-e5ee-4ac4-a7c2-793035d9cde9@netfence.it> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.42 / 15.00]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-stable@m.gmane-mx.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.28)[-0.276]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-stable@m.gmane-mx.org]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WMywq5j9Fz43Yc Andrea Venturoli to Peter: > > In short, it takes me about 3 months to catch the > > surprizes[*] and fix (or find out how to cope with) the > > concerning issues, regressions et al. that come along > > with a new release. Up to now that would then give > > another 9 months during which the systems can be > > operated in a plan-of-record fashion, until the next > > release starts the hassle again. With the new concept > > this does seriousely change. > > [...] > > I'd be happy to hear if others have any idea or what they > plan to do. I am very new to FreeBSD, and completely inexperienced, so what I have to say below may be wrong and even silly, and I ask to let me know if it is: In my limited experice with some *nix-like OSes, they have to be updated more or less regularly lest they "sink" into an obsolete state whence it is /very/ difficult to restore them back up into updated and workable condition, what with dependency hell and deprecated repositories. Sometimes so much so, that installing a freshly downloaded distro is easier. On the other hand, upgrades do introduce regressions -- whether many or few, so as a casual user desktop user, I naturally want less hassle and longer periods of stable operation between the necessary upgrades.