From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:32:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DBB1065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Holger.Kipp@alogis.com) Received: from alogis.com (firewall.solit-ag.de [212.184.102.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19718FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from msx3.exchange.alogis.com (msx3exchange.alogis.com [10.1.1.6] (may be forged)) by alogis.com (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4VAWgRY098545; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:32:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Holger.Kipp@alogis.com) Received: from MSX3.exchange.alogis.com ([fe80::c8ed:428a:a157:b61]) by msx3.exchange.alogis.com ([fe80::c8ed:428a:a157:b61%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0255.000; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:32:36 +0200 From: Holger Kipp To: Lars Engels Thread-Topic: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? Thread-Index: AQHNPpFRsEG8V9iuKkOG+PqLvHmQ15bji42AgAAED4CAACSlNQ== Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:36 +0000 Message-ID: <5A58FAE7-F176-4E69-9460-6DDB12064BAE@alogis.com> References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd>,<20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> In-Reply-To: <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> Accept-Language: en-GB, de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:45 -0000 Hi, Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb "Lars Engels" : > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending= it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >>> >>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which= advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd li= ke to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you = had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you p= ick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? >>> >>> David >> >> >> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >> >> >> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: >> - CARP >> - relayd >> - PF >> - pfsync >> >> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, >> haproxy, db...): >> - "hard" to use >> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to >> debian's for example) >> >> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) > > But how often do you need to update? That reminds me - there is still a 2.2.8 system up and running that needs t= o be replaced ;-) For a server farm, one can use a central server who provides all packages t= hat need to be upgraded, so it is usually only one system that needs a long= er time. All others just mount the directories and install/upgrade using co= mpiled world and /usr/ports/packages/All :-) Nice and easy. Best regards, Holger -- Holger Kipp Diplom-Mathematiker Senior Consultant Tel. : +49 30 436 58 114 Fax. : +49 30 436 58 214 Mobil: +49 178 36 58 114 Email: holger.kipp@alogis.com alogis AG Alt-Moabit 90b D-10559 Berlin web : http://www.alogis.com ---------------------------------------------------------- alogis AG Sitz/Registergericht: Berlin/AG Charlottenburg, HRB 71484 Vorstand: Arne Friedrichs, Joern Samuelson Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Reinhard Mielke